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I have been told over my life that I suffer from, and I'm not making any of these up, low crotch, ogre toes, absent butt syndrome, hot dog fingers, jimmy leg, and horse teeth. Welcome to another episode of Smells Like Humans. This is the podcast where we explore the curious things that people do, the very human things that grab our attention, and cause us to wonder what and why. I'm Ross, your host, and today, my guest is the fabulous, fantastic, and fan favorite Jamie. Hello, Jamie.

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Hi Ross.

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Let's do it.

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We know that humans at some point in their lives come to a personal appearance crossroads. They ask themselves, do I smooth, pinch, suck, pump, plump, lift, tuck, or freeze? Or do I just slide down the crag hole and let nature have its way with me? Now, a lot of people, either because they don't care, or they can't or just don't want to spend the money or deal with unnecessary medical procedures and pain and risk, or somehow magically look great when they get older, they just don't do it. They just let age do its thing. Other people, for all kinds of reasons, decide to go the augmentation route. And for this discussion, I'm leaving out people who are doing it for necessary reconstructions after an accident or something like that. Not not focused on those. I'm focusing just on non-medically necessary cosmetic enhancements. Now, Jamie, I got three quick takes I want to start this start this whole little discussion. Well, first, whether someone goes the crag hole route or the plumper route doesn't automatically make them a better or worse human. There's nothing automatically noble about parading around in your prune suit, nor is there anything automatically weak about getting on the lipo train. Either option is viable. You okay with that?

SPEAKER_01 2:44

I feel good about that. Yeah.

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Here's my second take.

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Okay, let's hear it.

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Whatever one does or doesn't do, it seems best to be doing it first and foremost to please yourself. That's right. Doing it for others can lead to disappointment, depression, or worse. And we've read about people who have a great deal of letdown when they find that the people in their life or their situations don't change dramatically after they do something dramatic to themselves. Right. And there are people, of course, who have uh various um psychological issues, which makes it hard for them to fully appreciate the changes they're making and they continue to have a distorted body image, and that can lead to um a lot of distress. So if you can do it for yourself because it makes you happy, I say, why not?

SPEAKER_01 3:44

Do it.

SPEAKER_00 3:44

Um, I also read that some people can just get addicted to doing it, to doing plastic surgery.

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Yeah, I can see that.

SPEAKER_00 3:51

Um, and some people, and this has surprised me because I've always said, Why do people go so far? And it obviously looks like you've had something done. Like and it turns out some people do that on purpose because they want people to know, hey, I'm working it. Yeah, I'm doing the maintenance. And yeah, I used to look like one thing and now I look like something else, but I'm doing that on purpose. Right. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

Yeah, I watch a lot of reality television. There's a show called I've talked about it before on the show, I think 90-day fiance. But there's I don't actually know I know you mentioned it a lot, but I I'm a garbage person and I watch garbage television.

SPEAKER_00 4:31

You're not a garbage person.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

But there's these twins named Darcy and Stacy, and now they have their own like little spin-off show. And they they just keep getting more and more surgeries as the episodes go on, and it's just like it's fascinating to watch because they almost don't look like humans anymore. It's kind of like alien-like.

SPEAKER_00 4:55

Yeah, yeah. And and you know, that happens with certain stars, you know, where they it really they really don't look anything like they used to, but they also don't look familiar like a regular face with.

SPEAKER_01 5:08

Yeah. I've I've seen on reality shows too, um, like Botched. I watch Botched, it's like a plastic surgery show where like they get someone gets like really bad plastic surgery, or someone's gone like really far in their plastic surgery, and they go to these doctors to try to help them fix it. But every so often someone will go on there and be like, I want to actually look like an alien. Like, I want you to sp split my eyelids in half, or like someone wanted to you know what a bump it is?

SPEAKER_00 5:38

A bump it?

SPEAKER_01 5:39

Yeah, it's like a thing you put in your hair to make like your hair bigger.

SPEAKER_00 5:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 5:44

So someone didn't want to like tease their hair anymore, so they asked these doctors to put a boob implant on top of their head so that their hair looked bigger.

SPEAKER_00 5:54

I'm just looking at you like you're making this up. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01 5:58

You can't make this up, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

They wanted a breast implant.

SPEAKER_01 6:01

They wanted a breast implant, just a single breast implant on top of the crown of their head so that they didn't have to tease their hair anymore. So I'm just spoiler alert, they wouldn't do it for them.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

So they were gonna shave their regular head and then have the because you wouldn't put this on top of your hair. That wouldn't work.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

No, yeah, they wanted surgically to have an implant put underneath their scalp on top of their head so that their hair looked bigger.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

You're ripping the top of your head off, your brain's exposed, you put a boob on it, you cover it back up, and then your hair grows beautiful and voluminous. Do you have a you have a bumpet? That is a built-in bumpy. I every time I hear these stories, and I was in preparing for this episode, I've read a lot of interesting stories, and I always I try to like not have that reaction of that's weird. It's crazy. Uh yeah, I try not to do that because everybody's situation is different, but I gotta tell you what that one kind of stretches it for me a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 7:11

Plus, I feel like hairstyles and stuff change so often that that seems like a very permanent situation for something that's probably not going to be in style in a couple years.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

And then you gotta get it out.

SPEAKER_01 7:22

Yeah, you gotta get a breast reduction on your scalp.

SPEAKER_00 7:25

Wow, that is really it's like stopped me in my tracks right off the bat. So also, what a crazy show. Botched. I love botched. Oh, it's like here's a horrible thing that's happened. I made the mistake. I um and I don't watch these shows, um, but I made the mistake. I I was flipping channels just this morning and I landed on something, it was TLC. It was uh my feet are killing me. Yeah, and they're bringing in people and their feet are horror shows. Yeah. Now I have really horrible feet. I have ugly feet. My feet, my my feet were gonna be in a museum someday. I could I could I they could be in a circus show, sideshow at a circus. Anyway, so I I stopped for a second, like what, and it was like, yikes. People like with all their toes are different sizes from different, like they look like from different feet. Right. Like one toe is a baby too. Frankenfoot. Yeah, Frankenfoot. And then they're like, okay, let's see what we can do. And it's like, oh, well, there's nothing you can be.

SPEAKER_01 8:36

Dop it off. Just dump it off. Start over.

SPEAKER_00 8:39

Just peg like this thing. Have you had any cosmetic uh surgery that you want to talk about?

SPEAKER_01 8:46

I have had uh Botox. Okay, that's pretty standard. Pretty standard, like to pickle myself, preserve myself.

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Yes, you want to be pickled and preserved. Yeah, so Botox is a pretty normal thing that a lot of people do. I mean, I can relate to people who want to make changes. Um, when I was younger, I was more cynical about it, but that's it's easy to be cynical when you're 19.

SPEAKER_01 9:11

Right, and you have a perfect body and a high metabolism. Yeah. We had metabolisms? That was fun.

SPEAKER_00 9:16

I never had one. We couldn't afford metabolisms. I have been told over my life that I suffer from, and I'm not making any of these up, low crotch, ogre toes, absent butt syndrome, hot dog fingers, jimmy leg, and horse teeth. So I can relate to the concept of wanting to get something changed or fixed just because it makes you feel better.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

And to be perfectly clear, if I had unlimited funds, I would absolutely get literally everything possible done. Oh. Yeah, I would do it all. So it's still I'm very pro doing it.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

Yeah, she's pro doing it. That's right. I um I think there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. And I've changed my attitudes when I was younger about a lot of things, we're just uninformed and ignorant. And so I'm much more open to the idea of people doing whatever they want to do. Again, as long as they're mainly doing it for themselves, and if it makes you feel good or just, you know, because sometimes you look in the mirror and you're like, Man, I I need a boob on that head. And so, like, you ought to do it, even if everybody tells you it's wrong. So, uh, here's my personal uh experience with uh augmentation. Oh, I'm so excited. Well, I've never told you this. No, so you're gonna be you're gonna be surprised when I tell you about my about my boob foot. I told you my toes are bad, but I didn't tell you why. Boob toes.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

Ten tiny implants. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 11:00

I I wanted to do something different and I wanted people to know about it. That's right, but only at the swimming pool. Hard to get shoes. That's the main problem that I face. My my dad lived a long time and he always had a full head of hair. His whole life. Okay. He never, it was always good hair.

SPEAKER_01 11:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

I did not know about my mother's side.

SPEAKER_01 11:26

That's the one you get it from, I think.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

Well, if that turns out to be kind of a myth. You kind of it's a complex genetic melange, a mixture of effects, so it's not just but yeah. You need to know your story. You need both. You need to know the whole story to know what you're only had half of the story. And you know why that is? I didn't know my mother's side of the story.

SPEAKER_01 11:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 11:52

Because her mother told her when she was 19 she wanted to get married to my dad. My dad was an Italian from New York. My mother was a southern belle from Georgia. Okay. And her mother was emphatic about her not marrying my father.

SPEAKER_02 12:17

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 12:18

It's hard to remember, but back in the day, people did not like Italians as much as they do now. Oh. I don't know if they really like Italians that much more, but it's cooler to be an Italian. Mainly, I think people are into Italians for the food. The food convinced them, yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like, well.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

You're fine, but your spaghetti is delicious.

SPEAKER_00 12:37

I mean, I mean, you're a crib keeper, but let's have a cannoli. You know what I mean? It's gonna be all right. Right. If I got food in my face, I can put up with anything. So she said, if you marry this Italian kid from New York, help two strikes right there. Yeah, you are gonna be cut off from the family. And she did cut her off because my mother said my mother defiantly got married. They eloped secretly and created all sorts of trauma for the southern side, and she was cut off forever. So I never got to meet any of my mother's side. Okay. Apparently, there were some chrome domers on that side. I did not know that. A couple of cue balls. Uh yeah, yes. A couple of cue balls were in the mix, okay, but no one knew. So I'm in my 30s, and my family for a long time was really spread out.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_00 13:41

So we all lived all over the place, and we didn't see each other very often. And this was before everybody was Zoom calling. So you would talk to people on the phone, but you really didn't know what they look like. It could be anything. Yeah. I had some siblings in Europe, I had people all over the country in different places. So I had this one brother who I almost never saw, just older than me, if I had four years. We have a family reunion somewhere, and we all finally get together for the first time in probably maybe 10 years, maybe longer, that we were all in the same place. And I look at him and he's starting to go to uh chrometown. Oh he's starting a bowling ball on me. And I'm like, Uh-oh. I I didn't say anything, I was just like, What?

SPEAKER_01 14:31

It's like is this possible?

SPEAKER_00 14:33

Is this yeah, like what this is?

SPEAKER_01 14:35

Am I facing my future?

SPEAKER_00 14:36

Yes, is this like an oracle? Are you telling, you know, is this like a vision of the future? And I remember going back, and he wasn't in the room, but a lot of my other siblings were, and I and they're all like jibber jabbering, oh it's what I said, hey, hey, hey, did anybody see Ben? What's going on with the head there? And they're like, What are you talking about? I go like ah so I'm like, I remember because I drove all I drove like a few hundred miles to go to this thing. So on the all the way back, I'm thinking, I am not gonna let this happen. No, not on my watch. Because when I did talk to him about it, he's a very secure person. And he's like, I don't care. Yeah, this is how I am. I don't, whatever I am, that's how I am. You know, one of those people and that's not me. Yeah, I'm very insecure about this guy. I very much care. Yeah, it's like I I don't have a lot going for me. As it is, if I'm gonna go bowling ball, you might as well just drill three holes in my head and somebody can throw me. So I researched this and I find out that there's a process where they take your own hair from some other place and they stick it in the place where you don't want to know where. So I had a hair transplant done, a small one, before I ever lost any hair. And I so to this day, I don't know if I ever would have lost it. Right. Because there's no guarantee that I would have. Yeah. But I did it anyway because I didn't want to wake up one day and be ready for the boob implant because it was all smooth. Like that would have ready for my bump it now. Right. No, I I that's what I did. And so um had no idea. I know it's a secret. Hardly, very few people know because it's like, first of all, it hardly ever comes up. And I forget, I did it like over 20 years ago. Yeah. And if you really have like male pattern baldness, you have to have multiple treatments over time. I've never had to have another treatment, and as you can see, I have hair.

SPEAKER_01 16:35

Beautiful hair. Beautiful for those who can't see Ross.

SPEAKER_00 16:39

And we beautiful. Don't know where it's from. No. But it's my hair.

SPEAKER_01 16:44

This is a complete side note, but I learned something the other day. Um, I learned that people that have you know the people that have like the lower back hair patch, like a big patch of hair on their lower backs.

SPEAKER_00 16:56

I don't know anyone personally, but I believe. I believe that that can happen.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

Okay. I just learned that that is scalp hair. Something happens when you're in the womb where you get scalp hair on your lower back. I can't remember what it's called. Talk about aliens. Isn't that crazy? Is that where they took your transplant from your backscalp?

SPEAKER_00 17:20

My my baby back.

SPEAKER_01 17:22

Your back scalp?

SPEAKER_00 17:23

I want my baby back, baby bag, baby back. They actually took it from the sides. Okay. They take the follicles and they stuck stick them in. Okay. And it was easy to do because, see, normally when you're bald and you have this done, then it it like makes all these little marks. So you have to wear a hat for like two months because it otherwise looks like you had it done. But because I had hair, you couldn't see it. Totally. So uh the only thing I'll say about that whole process was uh, and I think this is true for almost anything you ever have done, except maybe like Botox, those minor things, is that it hurts like hell. And it just anytime you do any kind of surely any kind of surgery, yes, it just hurts. And they will tell you something about well, you know, some most people say after the first five days they feel fine. Well, first of all, the first five days are like being in hell in a plastic bag. I mean, it's horrifying. Right. And then the pain just goes on indefinitely forever. So it was very painful, and um it hurt the most when I laughed. Oh. And so people once people in my life found that out, they started trying to make me laugh. Because your taglines uh something about that where they took it from. Yeah, that's where it hurts. Where they take it from, not where they put it. Right. Where they take it from because they're like back then, I mean, this was a long time ago, now they probably have a better procedure.

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It's called a dupe.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

Yeah, I watch uh when I watch botch sometimes when they do like the nose job or the um liposuction, they both look so barbaric when you're watching. I can't imagine what the recovery is.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

Doesn't it look like they're like shoveling a snow like an ice off a sidewalk?

SPEAKER_01 19:12

You'd think in this day and age there's would be like a gentle, easy like lasers. I don't know. Do do something with lasers, but it's shoving a pole in and out of your belly. It's just like barbaric to watch.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

No, it looks and and a lot of these things I will tell you, and if you're lucky enough never to have any kind of surgery, it whatever they tell you, multiply it by five. Yeah. Just assume it's gonna be five times longer until you feel better. The pain is gonna be five times worse than they describe it. But I never had to go back and do it again. And chances are I probably didn't need it, but I was just I didn't want I preventative. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 19:52

Preventative.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

It was preventative, and I don't know how many people do it because I think a lot of people they wait until they're like, you know, shining it up. Totally.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

You know, they're like way harder to do it at that point.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

The fluorescence are bouncing, and that's when they're like, maybe I shouldn't take a look at this.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:09

But thanks to my brother showing me the future, I I appreciate that. So um, you know, I was reading about all these procedures and uh that people do, they're um expensive. Yes. Um, but you know, we're kind of at the end of a trend that's been going on a few years, um, called the BBLs, the Brazilian butt lift. Yeah. And I didn't know how um popular these were and how many people are getting them.

SPEAKER_01 20:43

I think anything the Kardashians do basically becomes popular, and I feel like they kind of like put that to the forefront.

SPEAKER_00 20:52

They started around 1960, that's how long, but it didn't really catch on until like the last 10 years. Yeah. And let's just talk about what some of the facts surrounding the BBL, the Brazilian butt lift. Okay. Okay. 61,000 in 2021 alone, 61,000 people have done this. Um, that's a lot of people going in for the butt lift. Yeah. And it's still, according to this article, still one of the fastest growing procedures out of all the things that people are doing. It's a complex surgery, it's not like a simple thing, like a little Botox injection, yeah. Or a boob implant on your brain. It's a complex surgery in which fat is liposuctioned from the abdomen, which you have already explained is a very aggressive procedure. Or they take it from the lower back, your back scalp, or other fleshy parts that you may have. Okay. And they use that that. Fat that they've stripped from other places in your body to enlarge and shape your behind.

SPEAKER_01 22:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

Okay. The average price is 5,000. Okay. Which I thought didn't sound crazy.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

That doesn't sound that crazy to me.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

But then what I've been reading is that, well starting at 5,000. Well, you can, yeah. So it's 5,000 is kind of, I'm not saying it's back alley butt lift. Okay. But it's not necessarily you're getting the best doctor. Um, but the real expensive part of this that people underestimate is the care that you need afterward. And that can go up as high as 15,000 or more. Plus, the other thing that people don't tell you probably on TikTok, the people that are doing their what their I don't know how they um I don't do a lot of TikToking.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

I don't know how those I've literally never been on TikTok. Oh, you are from outer space. I've seen on Instagram TikTok things.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

You know someone. I know a guy who went and watched a TikTok once. I've actually been on TikTok and I've seen some, but I have not watched the the people who were doing the BBL TikToks that are showing off their small waist and big butt. Oh, yeah, it's a big thing. That's part of what's d been driving the fad. What they don't tell you is not only how much it costs, that one of the things they don't tell you is that you may need more than one. Oh. And the other thing that I was surprised to learn is about the recovery period.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

So what's the recovery?

SPEAKER_00 23:43

What's the well some of the women that I you know read about said the pain can be worse than childbirth.

SPEAKER_01 23:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 23:51

So we know that's not good. No. I mean I don't. I've seen I'd seen people giving childbirth and it doesn't look good to me. I know I couldn't do it. You're not supposed to sit down or lie down on your back for two to four weeks.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

Maybe more. So no lying down on your back and no sitting down.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

How do you yeah? How do you how do you do the how do you do?

SPEAKER_00 24:18

How do you do that?

SPEAKER_01 24:20

After your coffee that Derek so kindly brought you, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

How do you drop the kids off the pool after a Brazilian butt? Um, yeah, that's just one of many questions. I've got questions. Yeah, there's uh I think it's important if you're thinking about doing this, reshaping your butt, you need to think about what you're in for. So because the recovery period is so difficult, it's painful, and you have limited mobility and position restrictions, there's a whole cottage industry of recovery houses that have sprung up. Wow. So, for example, depending on how much you pay, yeah. One one I was reading about, they'll pick you up in a minivan that's equipped with an air mattress, and you kind of roll into there, and they drive you to a house where you share a room for anywhere from 80 bucks to 400 bucks a night. So that's a pretty wide range. And that probably shows up in terms of how you're treated and how many people are in there. Some of these recovery houses have nurses, some are not so good. They reported to be unsanitary, bad meals, non-working toilets. How does that work, as you said? I don't know. But if the toilets aren't even working, maybe the whole thing is moot. So I was reading about some of these places, and they have names like the Prima Doll House, okay, Barbie doll's recovery house, and my favorite, the sassy queen. Um much like me. Right. Right, much like you. Uh sites uh like on uh YouTube are filled with women's experiences with their own post-op care. Some are good, some are awful. Um are titled the worst experience of my life. Uh, one woman described it as absolute hell. She described walking around a coffee table was like running a mile. Long-term effects are common. This one woman said uh she got hers in 2019, and she still feels abdominal numbness for where they took her fat. She also has lingering circulation issues when sitting down, back pain and trouble sleeping. That's part of the price that they don't talk about, I'm sure, on these TikToks. Um, you also uh, you know, have to wear this thing called a faja. Do you know what that is? It's a corset-like garment that keeps the body shape in place because if you don't keep it in place, uh stuff starts migrating. I guess uh you have to wear this thing for like three months as the new fat learns to connect with the existing fat. Wow, the fat's gotta get along. You gotta get the fat.

SPEAKER_01 27:15

You can't just force them together.

SPEAKER_00 27:17

Sleeping, as I said, usually for six weeks, has to be done face down. Yeah, don't try to roll over because you might squeeze soft stuff out of your faja. And that's not gonna be good. You don't want that. You also need to get regular post-op massages, which can be extremely painful, people say.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

Yeah, I can imagine.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Some people keep the fagga on when they go to the bathroom, they literally just pee all over themselves and live like that, does one person say?

SPEAKER_01 27:46

Forever?

SPEAKER_00 27:47

No, it's just for the three months. Oh. You gotta wear this thing. Well, still while your fats are learning to get along.

SPEAKER_01 27:54

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:55

Um, but yeah, it's it sounds kind of horrifying, right? Yeah. Yeah. Like I wouldn't need any of that, and I'd be okay, like, if I didn't have any of that.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

No, I wouldn't need it, but like maybe I would you would think about it. Maybe I would do it a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

Maybe a little bit. A little bit.

SPEAKER_01 28:11

A little, a little BBL.

SPEAKER_00 28:14

A tiny one.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

Just a little baby one.

SPEAKER_00 28:16

Um, it has the highest mortality rate of any cosmetic surgery.

SPEAKER_01 28:23

No way.

SPEAKER_00 28:24

How about that?

SPEAKER_01 28:25

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 28:26

This is if you're gonna do anything, all the things you can do, including brain boobs, yes, this will kill you more often than any of those things.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

Your butt will kill you before your brain does.

SPEAKER_00 28:38

And you know why?

SPEAKER_01 28:39

Why?

SPEAKER_00 28:40

I know you probably already know this, but you if you have repurposed fat, it can travel through veins in the butt. There's a lot of veins down there. Sure. And uh it can go to the heart and cause embolisms.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

Crazy.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

Transferred fat can migrate beneath the muscles and tear gluteal veins. The death rate is still low. Right. It's only one in 13,000. But like I said, 61,000 people had them. Right. So what's the math of that? How many times are like four, four, that's four people are gonna die in a year? I mean, that sounds high to me. That is high. Like if I get something done, I get it, it's gonna hurt, and you know, maybe it won't look that great, or you know, maybe you know, something will happen, but uh but death is not really part of it.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

I don't know why in my brain, when I think about um like transferring your own body fat from one place to another seems safer than putting in something like a foreign object. Because it's like, yeah, you just moved a PCU from this place to this place. It seems in my head, it makes more sense than than shoving a thing in.

SPEAKER_00 29:54

Shoving a thing in.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:55

Well, yeah, except that the fat can migrate. That's the problem. It doesn't necessarily stay where you want it to stay. That's the thing about fat. Like fat is nomadic.

SPEAKER_01 30:04

It just, you know, like I guess people that get silicone injections too, like that used to be a thing. I don't know if that's still a thing, but that can migrate also. So I guess that does make sense. That can, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:15

And there can be reactions, local reactions to that. Um you're not supposed to inject too much fat, but sometimes, you know, doctors, depending on what their deal is and you know how how they're set up, you know, they might put in too much. According to this article, I was reading, is like if you want max fat injected into your butt, you go to Turkey, and they will be happy to do that. Also, people don't tell you this, but your new butt, the one that you've paid for, yeah, paid all this money, did all this hard recovery work, dealt with all the pain, wore the faggia faithfully for three months, didn't sit down, all that stuff, got your butt massages. Perfect butt. Yes, beautiful. Yeah, everybody you are the admiration of butt lovers everywhere.

SPEAKER_01 31:07

No pooping aloud, though.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

Well, just the price, the price of beauty. That's right. The butt, your new butt can start shrinking over time.

SPEAKER_01 31:18

Because it's just fat, right? Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

If you lose weight, it might shrink down to something less attractive than you want.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

A lumpy butt.

SPEAKER_00 31:28

It might not even shrink equally. Yeah. So one side maybe is smaller than the other side or bigger. But people who do it and have successful experiences describe it as life-changing. And I think that's true with a lot of these procedures. People say, Oh, it changed my life. Um but it does seem that maybe it's just possible as their Kardashians age and they have to find a new way to kind of commoditize their thing, that maybe that'll become less butt focused, people will be less excited. It just seems like maybe we're at the end of this phase.

SPEAKER_01 32:06

Yeah. I've already noticed recently like a shift because I follow them on Instagram, don't judge me. Um a shift in their own. That's right. A garbage person that watches garbage things and garbage person.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

I will not accept that from you at all. You're a wonderful human.

SPEAKER_01 32:25

But it does seem like the Kardashians are now changing their aesthetic to kind of like a super duper skinny kind of 90s supermodel list. Oh, back to the heroine.

SPEAKER_00 32:39

Oh, I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

I don't know why it is specifically the Kardashians, but it does seem like beauty trends seem to follow whatever they're doing.

SPEAKER_00 32:49

That's interesting. So they have a I know they have a tremendous amount of influence on the popular culture. And I would imagine that most of the influences uh are on people identifying as female, right? Is that fair?

SPEAKER_01 33:03

I think that's fair, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:05

It's interesting to me that that is a way to make a living, is to be an influencer.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

That's the dream.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

Just pay me to post stuff.

SPEAKER_00 33:16

On the one hand, it sounds like, oh, well, this would be so cool.

SPEAKER_01 33:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:22

But it seems like there's so much work to it.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

I do feel like you probably maybe this leads into more like cosmetic stuff because uh you the more notoriety you get, the more followers you get, the more you get um criticized and critiqued, and people f find your flaws and zoom in on them, you know, and like if you gain a little bit of weight, people notice it. If you lose weight, people notice it, and and that kind of like public scrutiny leads to insecurity, and then you start to get the cosmetic stuff done, and then it's like a slippery slope.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

It's a slippery slope. Yes. And next thing you know, you look like a balloon animal and you're okay about it.

SPEAKER_01 34:08

Yeah, it's fine.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

I uh I I think it's I think it's interesting though. I think being an influencer is a lot of work. I think I dismissed it at first, like, oh come on, what you're just filming, but it's like they have to create content all the time. Constantly. And it you're always at risk for becoming yesterday's news. Right. Totally. You can be in and then you can be out, right? Or you can just say the one wrong thing and everybody gets upset and says, no, we don't want you anymore. Yeah. Or you just yeah, you just run out of stuff. Yep. And so the Kardashians were able to create a brand um out of just lifestyle, and they are extremely successful. Totally. That is actually less fascinating than all the micro influencers out there, and where some of these people are, you know, in the BBL world and they're like, that's part of their thing. Um, but who knows what it'll be for the you know in the next decade. Yeah, the coming decade, are we gonna graduate to the next thing, which after this podcast is gonna be brain boom. Brain boom. I I am I think that's the thing we're gonna see. And you know, human beings, as soon as a few famous people start doing it, brain boom, everybody's gonna want to do it.

SPEAKER_01 35:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 35:33

So, like, you know, we go back 25 years, and if we were talking about butt augmentations, we'd probably say, nobody's gonna ask everybody here. What do you do? Why? You know, who wants a big butt? Yeah. Well, now everybody wants one. Right. I just want a butt, by the way. I was in a hotel the other day, and they had like this weird, like kind of prism like mirror, and I could see after taking a shower, you can see all your sides. And I was looking at the backside, I'm going like, what a nightmare. Where'd it go? Yeah, well, I don't think it was ever there anyway. But um, you know, and apparently in Cosmo, I was reading about the evolution of the butt, and it's best uh, you know, in your teens and twenties.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 36:20

Which makes sense. Sure. After 30, Cosmo says it's all downhill.

SPEAKER_01 36:25

Shit.

SPEAKER_00 36:27

Uh age forty. I'm not sure if that's true. Okay. Age 40, you start seeing a little more sagging. At age 50, you start losing the fat. So that's why you see the the some people with the flat buttons and the innies, the inny butt. The any butt. Why did you put a boob on your butt?

SPEAKER_01 36:56

I guess that's they do do that. You're not supposed to put an implant in your butt. And and I've seen it on bodched where this woman had boob implants. She they she went to like Mexico or something, and they put actual breast implants in her butts, not butt implants. And she could flip it around underneath her skin. So she could flip the implant back and forth.

SPEAKER_00 37:20

And is that a feature that she wanted?

SPEAKER_01 37:22

No, absolutely not.

SPEAKER_00 37:24

To me, that sounds like a bad thing to be able to do. Uh then it in the year 60s they say, if you've been doing your exercise, now you'll have a strong butt, and maybe you won't fall down. Uh I thought that was a horrible article. I was like, really? That's the trajectory where you just, you know, you start out wanting this perfectly shaped rear end, and later you're just, I just hope I just I just don't want to fall. I just don't want to fall down. Jamie, we've been on a journey on this episode, and I think we've helped a lot of people make a decision about doing things. And by the way, if you're thinking about doing plastic surgery, do well, if you can afford it and you want to do it and it may you feel like you're doing it for you, I say go for it. But really be comfortable with your intention and motivation and make sure you feel good about that. Um, because people who get it for the wrong reasons really do, some of them really do have a hard time. So think about what you're doing it, why you're doing it, and who you're doing it for. And if you're doing it for yourself, I say go for it. I don't know about the BBL though, it sounds a little risky and painful to me. I don't want to wear a phagea for three months. I don't want to.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

I would get a BBL over a brain boop.

SPEAKER_00 38:44

Okay. Well, we I guess we all we all have our priorities. Thank you for being here, Jamie, and thanks to all of you for joining us for this episode. If you like what we're doing, we would love it if you would help us by sharing the show. You can follow us on Instagram. We're also on Twitter. You can also rate us if there's any app you're listening to that allows you to rate us. Please give us a high rating. It really helps the algorithms find us. You can support us on Patreon if you feel like doing that. We are totally independent. If you have an episode that you can share with other people on your social media or just talk talk us up with your friends, family, people you meet on the street, we don't care. Just do it and we appreciate it. And we hope you will tune in to another episode because whether you are going hard to the crackjack and getting a double helping of prune or just someone slapping a boob on your brain, it's important to remember that we all smell like humans. Goodbye, everybody.