SPEAKER_01 0:00

If that Roomba's able to make you a little song, I mean you're gonna fall in love with that Roomba.

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I already love my Roomba. You love your Roomba right now.

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Welcome to another episode of Smells Like Humans. This is the podcast where we explore the curious things that people do, the very human things that grab our attention and cause us to wonder what and why. I'm Ross, your host, and today my guest is like a mixed drink and a BLT delivered on the pool side of your brain. It's Jamie. Hi Ross. Hi, and welcome everyone, friends. As we always ask you, please help us grow this community. And you can help us by sharing this show with somebody that's like you who thinks that maybe this is entertaining. That can really, really help us. We also are on Patreon if you're feeling a little uh heavy in the wallet and you want to help us you want to unload some of that our way. We are not making money doing this. This is a money losing proposition. So anything you can do to help us. But the most important thing you can do is share the show. Feel free to reach out to us anytime on Instagram, follow us there, send us messages there, or our email is in the show notes. Okay, let's get going. Now we know, Jamie, that people have been fascinated with robots andor worried about robots taking over the world for a long time. People are always worrying about robots. You know the first robot that showed up in uh fiction?

SPEAKER_02 1:41

No.

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Frank L. Baum. You know Frank?

SPEAKER_02 1:45

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:46

Frank L. Baum wrote The Wizard of Oz.

SPEAKER_02 1:49

Oh.

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And when I was a kid, I read a couple of the books. He wrote a lot of Oz books. Guess how many? Two. Fourteen. Frank L. Baum got on the Oz thing and he couldn't get off of it.

SPEAKER_04 2:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:03

Yeah, the first one was the one that most people know, the one with Dorothy and the Wicked Witch and the Tin Man, but it just he just kept going. Yeah. In one of those books in 1907, he introduced a robotic character called, and I'm not making this up, TikTok. What? Yeah, spelled exactly like the app. That's 1907, so he was prescient. He was ahead of his bomb was on it. TikTok was a round-bodied mechanical man made of copper.

SPEAKER_04 2:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

I do not want to be described as round body, even if I am. Then after that, there was a movie in 1927 featuring Maria, the Machinemensch. Machinamensch. I'm sure that's how it's pronounced. Machinamench. Maria was a robotic ginnoid. Uh excuse me, what? Ginoid. All right. You want to know what a ginoid is?

SPEAKER_04 3:08

I'm frightened, but yes. Fembot. Okay.

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And it was the first character in a movie credited as a robot. So they described it as a robot. And of course, we have Isaac Asimov with his science fiction writing. And since then, of course, we there's no end to robot movies. We've had so many robots. By the way, back when robots first started being a thing in in like fiction, like in old radio shows, like they have these old science fiction shows on the radio before television. And I've listened to some of those and they talk about robots, but they call them robots. Robots. Robots. So uh there's been a ton of robot movies. It's always seems to be about robots taking over something, but not all of them, but a lot of them are. Yeah. Any favorites you have? Any favorite robot movies? Oh gosh. Artificial intelligence. So many. There are so many out there. There are so many.

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Right. Terminator 2. Yeah. Obvi. Lost in space. Great.

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Lost in space. Yeah. What was uh danger, Will Robinson? What was that robot's name? Robot.

SPEAKER_04 4:20

Good question. What was that robot? Was he called Robbie?

SPEAKER_01 4:23

No. He was simply known as the robot.

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Oh.

SPEAKER_01 4:25

Simply no. Anyway, so Terminator 2, not Terminator 1.

SPEAKER_04 4:29

Not Terminator 1. No, nobody likes Terminator 1.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Really? I kind of liked it. Terminator 2. Terminator 2. Do you have a favorite robot? Robot. Do you have a favorite robot?

SPEAKER_04 4:40

Favorite robot.

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Like a lot of people like R2D2.

SPEAKER_04 4:44

Oh, sure. Yeah. C3PO. The gayest of all the robots.

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Some teenager recently said, Oh, you you're just like C3PO. Do you? Yeah. And I was like, I What did she say? I started trying to talk like him.

SPEAKER_04 5:04

Huh. Do I how do I take that?

SPEAKER_01 5:07

How about Wally? Wally. Yeah, Eva. He was in love with Eva. This is a guilty pleasure. It's not a very good movie, but the original Stepford Wives.

SPEAKER_04 5:18

Oh, great. I was gonna say that earlier.

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Talk about Fembots. Totally. That's the movie where they ch they the husbands turn their wives into robots. Yeah. And it's just like wow.

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50s housewife.

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Yeah, and it's just like wow, what a commentary on the state of men. But a lot of the robot movies uh they're about technology gone wrong. It's a very popular theme. Like the robots get to the point where we can't control them anymore, and then they become malicious. Yes. You know, our lives right now, the world we're living in right now, is mediated by artificial intelligence and algorithms, and we don't even think about it. So the obvious low-hanging fruit, you know, I like my low-hanging fruit. Alexa and Siri.

SPEAKER_04 6:11

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 6:12

Do you have one of these? I do. Which one do you use?

SPEAKER_04 6:14

I don't ever use Siri. Um, I she's probably listening now, though, that I said that. Yes. Um Alexa, I do use my Alexa. Right. But only really to listen to podcasts while I'm in the shower.

SPEAKER_01 6:28

But still. But still. Alexa's in your show.

SPEAKER_04 6:31

And she makes me so mad sometimes, that Alexa.

SPEAKER_01 6:34

Because she won't do what you want?

SPEAKER_04 6:35

Well, yeah, when I'm done, when I'm like, I'm gonna go eat my breakfast now. I listened to my podcast, I did my shower, and I am trying to get her to stop playing with things, and she does not listen to me.

SPEAKER_01 6:46

Yeah, see, that's an example. It's like she knows better, right? She's taking over. Lexa's taking over. But that's something in a lot of people's lives. I don't use that, but I know it's very popular, and people feel like they have some sort of a relationship with this algorithm, this AI that they're using. And then, of course, smartphones, you know, you try to text and it's always telling you what you want to say.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

Even if it's not. Yes. Or it's changing your words. My latest phone is in a so it used to be my phone was an ally. Yeah. I would decide what I'm saying, and it would faithfully reproduce that into text. So I'd be voice to text, and then I would send it. Now I say something and it's like, no, you don't want to say that. And but it's substituting in things that don't make any sense.

SPEAKER_04 7:33

Yeah, yeah. My autocorrect hates me. Yes. Hates me. And I hate the autocorrect. And I hate it back.

SPEAKER_01 7:38

Yeah. You can turn it off, but it will come back on on its own. Yeah. And it that's the other thing about the the phones, these so-called smartphones, they're getting smarter and they're getting more bossy. They're like, no, we're turning all these things back on.

SPEAKER_04 7:53

Work with me here. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 7:54

But they're not. They're working against us.

SPEAKER_04 7:56

They hate me.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

A lot of people have smart appliances now. You you can talk to your dishwasher.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

You can talk to your fridge, or your fridge will tell you you need more milk. Yeah. I don't have any of this, John, because I know when I need more milk. Yeah. You know how I know? I've got eyeballs. Just pick up the milk carton. This bitch is empty. Empty. So I better get some more milk.

SPEAKER_04 8:18

Better hope you don't eat eggs though, because I'm having trouble with egg containers.

SPEAKER_01 8:23

Oh, they don't have eggs right now. No eggs. Because of the we got another bird food.

SPEAKER_04 8:27

I don't know. Chickens are dying or something. Yeah.

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Smart appliances, smart TVs. Yeah. All these things we're using right now. We don't even think about it, that they're robots. Of course, we know about the Roomba, the little vacuum cleaner. I love my Roomba. I see, I don't like mine. Oh, I mean, I I gave it away. I didn't like it so much.

SPEAKER_04 8:44

Oh, really? Because it gets stuck. I like I tell my Roomba that he did a good job after he's done. I talk to my Roomba.

SPEAKER_01 8:51

And what does it do?

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He's like, Yes, I know.

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Does it cut a caper on the carpet? Uh-huh. Do a little dance?

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Yeah. Yes.

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A happy dance.

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I say, good job, Bud. You did great.

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I must have had a def I had a stupid Roomba because it would just get stuck and it would just big bug the crap out of me. It was just like, get off, get out of there. Yeah. Like, what do you why do you why are you so fixated on that one corner? Nothing is happening over there. Like, what is the matter with you? You defective Roomba. Maybe by yelling at it like that, I destroyed our You destroyed his spirit.

SPEAKER_04 9:22

I destroyed his spirit. Didn't want to work for you anymore. That's why I'm so nice to him and I want him to do a good job.

SPEAKER_01 9:28

Most experts agree that our current AI is not sentient. It's not capable of having independent thoughts and feelings. You know, it's not capable of doing that. And we're apparently a long way from that. But it's easy to believe when you're talking to your Siri or your Alexis that somehow you are actually talking to an independently thinking entity, especially when it won't do what you want. Right. The AI that's out there is getting better and better at seeming like they're thinking for themselves, even though they're not. They're not, but it seems like they are. And it can be very deceptive, which I think is both fascinating and potentially dangerous. Terrifying. Now they're saying that robots are going to start doing more and more of the jobs that maybe then won't lead to new jobs, and a lot of us will be out of work. But I came across something else that I thought was even more fascinating. I want to get back to jobs in a minute. But something called character AI. Okay. So this exists right now where you can talk to famous people, you know, like text them and talk to them. And it seems really real. Like you can talk to William Shakespeare or Abraham Lincoln or Billy Eilish or the Jonas brothers or Taylor Swift. Okay. Or Queen Elizabeth or anybody. And it sounds, it feels like you're actually talking to them. Like they respond like they would. They're programmed with and and these this this artificial intelligence can like quickly like learn all the words to their songs, read every interview they've ever given. They can uh take all of this and then they can generate seemingly realistic conversations. And it's to me, it's fascinating. It's all made up. Yeah. So it's all made up, but you can easily see where people would start thinking, like, I'm actually having a conversation with Billy Eilish. Billy Eilish, if you're listening to this podcast, first of all, why haven't you shared the show? Because you're huge. You could really help us. You could think you're talking to Billie Eilish, and I just see so you're a true crime person. Yeah. And you know about the son of Sam. Yeah. He thought a dog was telling him sort of channeling Satan through the dog and telling him to kill people, so he did. Well, I think it's gonna make people absolutely wiggy because they're gonna think, well, Billie Eilish, I was talking to Billie Eilish for months, and she convinced me to kill Justin Bieber or something. That's I just feel like it's just gonna it's gonna make people a little nutty.

SPEAKER_04 12:22

It's a slippery slope. I watch a lot of trash television also, like a I watch 90-day fiance. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 12:29

As you know. I don't really know what the premise of that show is.

SPEAKER_04 12:33

Such good trash. Great trash. Tell me again anyways.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Don't tell me again what it is, though.

SPEAKER_04 12:37

90 days Okay, so yeah, basically it's like someone from the United States that's gonna marry someone from another country, right? Okay. And you you have uh 90 days once the person gets here, you have to get married within 90 days for them to get their um pay one visa.

SPEAKER_01 12:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 12:55

Yeah, to just like stay in the country. It's just a short period of time. You could have you could have dated for years and like traveled back and forth. Like a lot of the times they know they've known the person for a long time.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_04 13:06

But once they decide to get married and and try to bring the person over here, you have ninety days once they actually like move here to get married to them. Anyways, there's this guy on one of the seasons that is dating this girl from Ukraine. Okay. He's never met her. He's only talked to her through these dating websites that you have to pay for. You have to pay to talk to her.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_04 13:33

And it's been, I think, seven years that they've been talking. He's never met her, just seen pictures, never like FaceTimed or video chatted or anything like that. So like it could be literally anyone.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

Well, we've talked about that before. We did an episode about that, and a lot of these people that you're interacting with online are actually there's like a whole gang of people who are called chatters. Yeah. That are real people, yeah, but they're not the people you think, the person you think it is. Yeah. They're just keeping you going, keeping you spending money.

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And he's spent like tens of thousands of dollars over the over seven years just to talk to this woman. Right. And he goes, you know, he flies to Ukraine to try to meet her, and she's like, Oh, I can't. My my it's not a real my nephew has a hockey game. I can't meet you. Yeah, sorry you flew here. But you could be talking to anybody, you could be talking to a robot. Probably are talking to a robot. You're probably giving this robot a lot of money.

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Well, here's the thing it's really cool, but I also think it's really potentially wild stuff. These gen they're called generational artificial intelligence. So they can text like a real person. It can be a completely unknown person or it can be a famous person. It sounds like you're talking to them. They can make images, they're getting better, better. You say, Oh, draw me a picture of, yeah, and they can do it. Right. They can write songs, they can write school essays. So forget about kids ever learning anything. Like you sign an if you're a teacher and you're signing essays, they they can have just completely generated, but they're getting better and better. I mean, I've read some of these generated things and they sound really good, but it gets to a point sometimes where it's just a little off. Yeah. Like it's like, uh, but they're pretty good. They're getting better and better. Even if you know it's made up, it can become kind of addictive, I think.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

Because we are all struggling to have intimacy in our life and make contact and feel like people are listening to us and are really into us, and a robot is right there for us all the time. If that roomba is able to make you a little song, I mean you're gonna fall in love with that roomba.

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I already love my room. You love your roomba right now.

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I postulated that the end of the world will come because we're only having sex with robots and we stop procreating.

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Yeah.

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And we never have to leave our house, we never have to actually, you know, take risks in the real world with real people. Sounds great. We just have a robot, and the equ, there's all kinds of gadgets already so that we can use virtual reality, so we can create, you know, we put on these haptic suits.

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Yeah.

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And there's all sorts of other little mechanisms and do-dads that take care of, you know, the happy parts. And then you're like can smell and you can feel and you can actually believe that you're kind of with somebody else. Yeah. And you do your zippity-doo-dah, and then you get out of your suit, you hose everything off, and you're like back on your day, and you haven't really been in with a person. But if you have a sex bot who can also generate some really good sort of self-generated text and uh conversation, I mean, what else is missing really, except an actual human? And is it really that important? We'll find out. Because that's I think people are gonna get hooked on this stuff. Yeah. Are there certain jobs that you'd be okay if it were done by a robot? How about a priest? Uh sure. No more sex scandals. Oh, yeah. Not or those preachers, you know, that those conservative preachers are always caught.

SPEAKER_04 17:29

I'm not religious, so sure, they can take over all the the holy jobs.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

But I mean the holy jobs, yeah, sure. They can do them just as well, and then there's no exploitation of people. There's no praying, there's no predators. They just do all the preaching stuff. Yeah. They can quickly learn the entire Bible, read everything that they need to read.

SPEAKER_04 17:51

They can they consume all of the scholarship on uh human emotion or uh biases. Unless it's programmed in. Unless it's programmed in.

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And so let's assume for these jobs, let's assume that the bias is that that we figure out a way to not put our own stereotypes and biases in the programming, because uh any AI is only as good as the people programming it, at least for now until they take over. Right. So let's just assume for the sake of this argument that we find a way to subtract out our bias. So clergy, you agree? Robots? Yeah, robots. How about uh dentist, doctor? Robots. Go for the robots?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

So you just tell your problem to the robot doctor, and they're like, I think you're probably because I feel like a lot of the stuff they do now like um is mostly robotic, right?

SPEAKER_04 18:45

Like I had my appendix out and they didn't have to like slice me open, they just like shoved something through my belly button. A Roomba. A roomba. Yeah, sucked it out.

SPEAKER_01 18:54

Sucked it right out. Yeah. Good job, Roomba. And it also made a little song. Uh-huh. I feel like right now when I have to have a some kind of procedure where they're gonna be doing something to me beyond just taking my temperature. I always want to check to see if the surgeon is like in the game. Yeah. Like, are you feeling okay?

SPEAKER_04 19:15

Like how many shots of whiskey have you had?

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Are you like totally yourself right now? Are you in a having an emotional thing? Did you have a fight with your wife or partner this morning? I want to know that because I don't want to be I I'll wait. Yeah. I'll wait until you're having a good day. I really want to know that. But if it's if it's a robot doctor, first of all, you don't have to worry about them discounting your symptoms, you know, like a lot of women feel they're not listened to. Well, the robot's gonna be like, Hey, I'm just you just give me tell you the symptoms. I don't care what you are. Yeah. And then they're always gonna be having a good day. They're not gonna be sitting there thinking about, you know, the fact that they just had a big fight with their child that morning, and the child said they were a dimwit and a loser.

SPEAKER_04 19:58

Yeah. That's how kids talk.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

Yeah, those kids, those punks, a robot lover. It's a close call, I think.

SPEAKER_04 20:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

I mean, it's good. I still feel like it's still tilt for me, it's still tilting toward humans, but it's close.

SPEAKER_04 20:14

I feel though, like if you are with a human, sometimes a wee little robot gets involved. Yeah. A lot of times. I know what you're saying. A little assistance.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Everybody is everybody's feeling that right now. They're like, yeah, you could use a low adjunct.

SPEAKER_04 20:30

Yes.

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An adjunct.

SPEAKER_04 20:32

A little robot plus your human.

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Like, yeah, the human can be there in the room somewhere. Just sit over there. No, you can look at your magazine. Yeah. We're doing this together. Sure we are. Play your video game. Everything's fine. Is this too noisy? Uh-huh. How about the airplane pilot? Oh. Yeah. I mean, yeah, for me, that's an easy one. Yeah. Yeah. No more of the none of no more pilot error. Right. And some of these goons who get up there and they're crazy and they're like, oh, I want to end it all right now. And they're like, hey, I've just bought a frequent flyer fare, a super saver fare. Yeah. I don't want to be part of your dementia. Right. Like, come on. No. Most of the time, those people aren't flying the plane anyway. Yeah, it's mostly robotic. They just sit, they're just sitting in a chair. Talking smack. That's why you see them get up and they're wandering around and talking to flight attendants. Like, who's flying this thing? Oh, the robots. The robots. And a plane can land itself. Yeah. And sometimes when the weather is really bad, the plane lands by itself. The machine lands it. The pilots aren't doing anything. They just got their eyes closed and they're screaming. Yeah. Bus drivers, taxi drivers, Uber drivers. I mean, all that. Robot. Robot robots. Robots. How about uh a cook working in a restaurant? On the one hand, all Always make it exactly.

SPEAKER_04 22:01

It would always be the same, but I do feel like there'd be no art. There's no art, and you gotta like taste.

SPEAKER_01 22:09

Taste there's no art.

SPEAKER_04 22:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

I think I think I want my chef to be a little bit more. I think I want my chef to be like a real person.

SPEAKER_04 22:16

Jolly. Jolly. Yes. Round bodied. A round bodied, jolly person. Okay, how about a therapist?

SPEAKER_01 22:24

Um what do you think? You need that person? I mean, do you really need somebody going on?

SPEAKER_04 22:34

Maybe a therapist, I would want like an actual person with uh empathy and thoughts and feelings.

SPEAKER_01 22:41

But the but the AI can be programmed to appear to have empathy.

SPEAKER_04 22:44

To appear, sure.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

You but I you know that they don't, but it sounds like they do. Right. They're saying all the right things. Yeah. So you know, Jamie, maybe your partner shouldn't be using a video game. I'm all for robots in the military. Like, let all that fighting take place with machines. Right. Like, why are we still sending human beings to die for some politic polit political reason or economic reason?

SPEAKER_04 23:13

Then would it just be robots fighting other robots?

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Just yeah, the whole time.

SPEAKER_04 23:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 23:17

Like just turn them loose and let them do whatever they want and then say who the who won.

SPEAKER_04 23:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

And then whoever won, they get to do whatever.

SPEAKER_04 23:24

Capture the flag.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

Yeah. I mean, yeah. You know, uh you still get to spend all the money on the machines. Right. But you just it's stupid. I just feel like that I really do feel like it is stupid for people to be killing each other for reasons of geography and politics. Yeah. Who and resources. Yeah. And if we're and if we have to fight, let's just do machines.

SPEAKER_04 23:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

Okay, here's somebody I really want to be a human. Masseuse.

SPEAKER_04 23:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

Um a machine working me over.

SPEAKER_04 23:58

I feel like I've had some pretty bad massages. And if it's a robot, at least I feel like you could select, you could like push a button to be like more pressure, more pressure, more pressure. And with a human, you're like, more pressure, and they're like, Yeah, okay, but this is as much as I can do. Get in there with an elbow or a knee. Pull out a button. I want to feel like I got hit by a bus the next day.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

Take out my bones and give them a spanking. I think we're I think we're ready for robot athletes. Sure. I mean, especially for sports like the American football, where it's so dangerous. Concussions. It's just so it's so horrible. And people try to rationalize it. Well, they know what they're getting into. I want to watch it. Yeah, people are killing. It's not just concussions and CTEs, but it's just all they get they like damage their bodies for life and then they're just discarded. Like nobody cares about that. Exactly. They do their two or three years, they're broken hunks of protoplasm, and nobody cares. But if it's a robot machines, if it's a robot, it's a round-bodied robot, we're it's fine. So for contact sports, I say robots. Robots. They already have robotic like umpires. Uh they're gonna introduce those to baseball. They're gonna call balls and strikes in the future. In the I know that's coming. They I saw a tennis match. I don't watch a lot of tennis, but there was a recent tennis match and they had robot umpires. There's no real there's the one guy or person in the chair, yeah, whatever they're doing, but there's nobody calling lines anymore. The balls are in the ball boy. The ball boys, they still need that.

SPEAKER_04 25:35

Robotic ball boys.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

I don't know if you need a robotic ball boy. I just don't know if you need that because the ball boys are pretty efficient. That's true. Ball people, because now they have a lot of females doing it. So ball people. Ball folk. Ball folk. How about a robot nanny? Sure. Oh gripping the gripping the kid, yeah. Giving the kid the bottle, reading the kid a story, yeah, spanking the kid, diapering the kid, whatever they do. Well, however they're programmed.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

Sure. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

But I mean they're gonna make them so like they seem like they're real and they can be programmed exactly for that kid's needs. Sure.

SPEAKER_04 26:20

Kids are unpredictable, so how about robot pets? A robopet? They would live forever.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

They live forever. Would it have the ever poop anywhere?

SPEAKER_04 26:31

That is so that's a big thing. Do they have all their teeth?

SPEAKER_01 26:35

You can get them with or without teeth.

SPEAKER_04 26:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:38

With or without teeth. You can have it any way you want.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 26:41

Big, little, funny, stupid. You can have you could probably change it up any way you want it. Like one day you can have like a really super friendly, gregarious like robo dog, and then the next day it could be just a slouchy facet hound, kind of a mopey dog. You just change it up, whatever your mood is. Push a button.

SPEAKER_04 27:02

Yeah, I don't know. I feel like a real pet.

SPEAKER_01 27:07

That's a close call?

SPEAKER_04 27:08

Yeah, that's a close call. Maybe more connection with a real pet.

SPEAKER_01 27:12

How about a real partner but a robot side piece? Sure. So then are you really cheating?

SPEAKER_04 27:19

Right.

SPEAKER_01 27:20

Is it cheating if you're Do we both get one? Yeah, you can both have one or more. Is that really is that wrong ethically? I feel like if you both know about it. How about like a robot baby? Like you want to have a baby, but you don't want to go through all the rigmarole. Maybe you don't want to just go through the biology and all the time. But what if you did? Oh, if I did. But you didn't want to go through all the rigamer roll, you know, getting it all done and hatching it out.

SPEAKER_04 27:48

Make your body go through all that.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

Yeah, make your body go to crazy town, you know, light it on fire. Instead, you just you know then it would just stay a baby forever. Or as long as you wanted. Or you could just change it up. Because a lot of people say, like, oh, I love this age so much. It's like you could always have that be that age forever. But if you get sick of that age, you just kind of fast forward it to whatever age you trade it in. So you trade in baby or toddler to like a moody teenager.

SPEAKER_04 28:18

Hard pass.

SPEAKER_01 28:20

Uh little emo in your life. Yeah. If they're doing all these jobs that everyone does, and there's nothing to replace that, we can't ruin other words, are we getting to the point where we there are no better things to go on to? They're doing everything. And now the only jobs are programmers, you know. Right. And and companies that working for companies that own all of this technology, you know, and and give it, sell it to us in the form of apps or machines. And I say this instead of fighting and worrying about robots taking over, let's let them do everything.

SPEAKER_04 28:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

Let's let them have the feel. Go on. Go now. You want this? Take it. What do we do? We our job is to be consumers in the world, and we get paid for that. All these companies that are they're still gonna be making all this money off of us because we're consuming their products. So we get a piece of it. So we are paid to be consumers, and the robots do everything. So we don't have to work. We can have fun, we can relax, we can lay on a beach somewhere and have a robot bring me a cocktail. Right. Little Mai Thai robot coming at you, giving you a back rub, whatever you want. So we have all the things that we want, and all this notion about having to work all of our lives to scratch out like a couple of vacation days every year. Yeah, that's BS, man. I'm saying, why are we resisting a robot takeover? We should be welcoming it.

SPEAKER_02 29:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:55

Let's take over all this nonsense. We just work We're tired. We're tired. We are we want to be hedonists, we just want to relax and have fun. Let the robots do everything, and and we just get paid for existing. We we get a universal salary for being humans. Like that's our value. We're humans.

SPEAKER_02 30:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

Pay us for being here and let the robots do all the work. All of it. I don't need any more people doing anything. Yeah. Now, let's say you're a person who really wants to do something. Well, you're screwed.

unknown 30:30

No.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

I mean, there can be a few jobs, there can be some options, but for people who really, really want to work. But you know, you'll be competing with the robot.

SPEAKER_04 30:40

Yeah. So get a hobby.

SPEAKER_01 30:42

Yeah, get a hobby. If you're a chef and you, you know, want to continue to be a chef because that's your passion and that's your art, or you're a songwriter, or you're a ditch digger, whatever you are, and you really want to keep doing that, you can, but you're now you're gonna be competing against robots. Stiff competition. And they're gonna be kicking your ass because they never get tired, they always do it perfectly, they never get sick, they never take a day off, they never want vacation. I think it's perfect. I love it. We can just do whatever we want. You want to dig some ditches, fine. I do not. But you don't have to. Great. You don't have to let robots do everything. We just want to eat fast food and play video games and get paid for. That's right. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with that world? Thank you, Jamie, for discussing robots with me. Certainly. I think it's going to continue to be fascinating, and I really do think that some of these robots that we can talk to are going to make us nuts, make us nutty. I really do think it's going to happen. We're going to get addicted to it, but it'll be a fun journey. Sure. Thank you everyone for listening. Neither of us are robots.

SPEAKER_04 31:51

As far as you know.

SPEAKER_01 31:52

Yeah, I right. We're if we're robots, we're pretty sloppy.

SPEAKER_04 31:58

We're inferior models.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

We're like that Roomba that I gave away. Just get stuck on something and just dance it.

SPEAKER_04 32:06

It's got a big dreadlock hanging off of it all the time. Yeah. What? Just mine? Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

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SPEAKER_04 33:20

Is that a fishing rod in your pants?

SPEAKER_01 33:22

Yeah, are you just glad to hook me? And you know where I didn't know what I was gonna say. No, I didn't either, but I liked it. I did not know what to say or where to go.