SPEAKER_02 0:00

Like dogs on the sidewalk. Hey, stay in level one. Don't go to the I don't want to see the Humpty Hump. Read the room, bingo.

SPEAKER_01 0:12

I go to the zoo and rhinos are getting nutty. I don't want to see that.

SPEAKER_02 0:17

Welcome to another episode of Smells Like Humans. This is the podcast where we explore the curious things that people do. The very human things that grab our attention and cause us to wonder what and why. I'm Ross, your host, and my guest today is one of my favorite people in the whole world who has given me a lot of valuable advice over the years, including a rather poignant admonition to not bang on the house. It's Rob. Hello, Ross, my good friend. How are you? Good. Welcome back to the show. It's been a while. We haven't talked to you in quite a while, and I want you to know one of our longtime listeners who said, Where's Rob? I want Rob. We must have Rob.

SPEAKER_03 1:08

Well, that was that was $5 well spent.

SPEAKER_02 1:11

And welcome everyone to the show. We're so glad that you're here and listening, and we love that you are part of our little family. I'm going to get started right away. Now, Rob, we know that love is a beautiful thing, and that sometimes people in love show how they feel about each other while in public. So public displays of affection, either observing someone displaying affection to another or engaging in it yourself, is just part of being a human in the world. And we know people feel differently about public displays of affection, which from now on we will use the familiar acronym PDAs. Some people don't care about it, some people think it's sweet or romantic, and some are grossed out. And I thought you would be the perfect guest for this episode because I know I can count on you to give me your honest thoughts.

SPEAKER_04 2:14

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

I know it's impossible for you to hide your gut reactions to things. And to prove it to you, right now I'm going to play you just a few of your reactions from past shows where you did not hide how you felt.

SPEAKER_03 2:30

No, you can't write it. You're just looking at it. I hate that. I'm going to want to shut that down. Oh no, I don't. I don't want to. I do not like this. We're talking about something that's given me a lot of anxiety. I hate this topic. Like we'll get into it, but I don't like it. I don't want strangers touching my body. It's like, ugh, oh god. No, thank you. I'm out. I you know, uh uh the human body's disgusting, guys. And there's sometimes there's uh some sometimes there's smells that have nothing to do with the person.

SPEAKER_02 3:07

So that that proves that gives you that's your street cred right there. Everybody knows whatever you say is exactly how you feel.

SPEAKER_03 3:15

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 3:15

That's that's why you're here. So before we dive in, I thought it would be useful to come up with a way to differentiate between PDAs because not all PDAs are the same. Sure. So I came up with three levels.

SPEAKER_03 3:34

Now are these are these Ross levels? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 3:37

Or did you okay, oh, I can't, we're in for a treat. So level one, I would put anything in there like hand holding, maybe a kiss on the cheek or lips, like a little peck, or having an arm around someone, or giving someone a hug, or you know, flirting, eye contact, whatever. That's I would call that level one PDAs. So pretty, pretty tame. Yeah, I like them. Level two, some heavy Frenching, a little tongue, tongue tackling, or whatever it's called. Tongue tackling. That sounds hard to do. Uh, extended touching and kissing, uh, sort of a constant grabbing, maybe some butt grabbing, some light groping. That's level two. And then level three is the only thing not happening is actual intercourse.

SPEAKER_03 4:33

Oh boy. All right.

SPEAKER_02 4:35

Clothes are still on, but it's all hands on deck, so to speak.

SPEAKER_03 4:40

Hmm. All right, and this is just public. In the public, it doesn't matter the setting, it's just in the public.

SPEAKER_02 4:47

Well, you're already ahead of me because I I'm gonna suggest a few variables that will make a difference. And clearly, one is you know, where are you? But for now, are you are you okay with that, those three levels for the sake of this little discussion?

SPEAKER_03 5:00

Sure. I think that those levels are appropriate.

SPEAKER_02 5:03

So uh do PDAs at any level bother you at all, or do you not care?

SPEAKER_03 5:10

I will say uh normally no, right? Okay. I I'm you know, maybe level three, like, okay, it was oh, look what's happening there. And then, like, if it's prolonged, if it's prolonged, so PPDAs, I would be like, I'm out, I'm out, like, okay, take it, take it somewhere else. But usually, if I'm by myself, and I'm I'm I'm I'm gonna keep saying that because I am a father of a child, right? So if we're at the if we're at the Shoney's at the breakfast uh buffet and someone's like all over the eggs, like I'm gonna have a problem with that.

SPEAKER_02 5:47

Man, that is a picture. It's so funny because I've been to a shoney's breakfast buffet, and the last thing I would think of is you know getting getting jiggy with it, but use the sneeze guard!

SPEAKER_03 6:01

Use the sneeze guard!

SPEAKER_02 6:03

Oh my god. Okay, so you've added actually a new variable, which is who are you with? Yeah, because you're thinking about protecting your child from exposure, early exposure to things that you don't want to have to explain.

SPEAKER_03 6:22

Sure, yeah. I don't I don't want to explain that, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:25

Yeah, but if you're by yourself, that's what I'm asking you. So when you're not taking your kid to Shoney's, which is your main activity, let's go to Shoney's again. But when you're by yourself, do you have any issues at any level?

SPEAKER_03 6:41

If I'm at like spectator distance, I'm okay with that. But if I it's like a if it's like a Gallagher thing where stuff's getting thrown at me, like I don't want to be too close. Like I don't want to look over, I don't be at like a subway and look over and oh, I it feels like I'm part of this. Like I should wear protection.

SPEAKER_02 6:58

Right. I think that's fair because if you're out and you're walking in a park and you see anything going down, it's really easy to distance yourself from it or ignore it, walk, you know, look the other plenty of things to look at. Yeah, but uh the other side of the equation is uh like in an elevator. Oh no, and it's happening. You there's really nowhere you can go.

SPEAKER_03 7:21

I feel like that's a personal attack. Like if you're coming in there and you know that I'm in there, and it's just like you guys got that's you're doing a show for me that I didn't ask for.

SPEAKER_02 7:32

That's what I think too. I agree. It feels like a boundary encroachment, and and it feels like you're being insensitive, you're not reading the room, you're just saying, hey, we can do whatever we want, and you just have to deal with it. Yeah. Now, I I am not saying that people shouldn't do whatever they want in terms of legal displays of public affection. You, I I'm not, I'm not arguing against people's right to do it. I'm just saying that when I'm on an elevator, it can be uncomfortable, or when I'm anywhere where I don't have a lot of space, it can be uncomfortable. It feels a little bit like a boundary violation when somebody goes a little bit toward level three.

SPEAKER_03 8:22

You know, but I want to make sure that I say I don't mind watching, right? Like I'm I'm down. If you guys got something you want to work out, I'll watch. It's just I need my I have a personal, as you know, Ross, I have a personal bubble space. And I just don't get it, don't get in that personal bubble space. And I think I'm all right.

SPEAKER_02 8:39

So are so right. So you you don't mind uh you know getting your gape on and watching whatever people are willing to perform for you as long as your child is not there with you. You pull up a chair and you're like, okay, popcorn, you're you're looking for the program. Who are the chairs?

SPEAKER_03 8:56

Sure. On the flip side of that, yes, I've also been involved in some in some PDAs, believe it or not.

SPEAKER_02 9:02

That was my very next question. So are you a kind of person that would, you know, put on a PDA now and again? Sounds like you are.

SPEAKER_03 9:10

I feel like I would going uh all the way up to level two. I feel like if I had a partner in my life that was down with level three, it might happen in the right space, not an elevator next to my friend Ross, but it might happen. But I say I'm I'm okay with it. Like it's you know, I kind of read the room, as you said earlier. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, I'm down with it. What about you, Ross? What about me?

SPEAKER_02 9:35

So, in terms of doing it or watching it? Well, doing it, I think, is more interesting, but yeah, and then watching it. So if it's a tight space, you know, that's important to me, and I probably start getting comfort uncomfortable with level two. I never care about level one. People do that all they want. I don't care. That's fine. Level two, if it's a tight space, start getting uncomfortable, especially if it goes on a long time.

SPEAKER_03 10:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:01

You know, the elevator gets stuck and it's still uh, you know, swap and spit. And it's like, wow, uh, can we talk about maybe let's talk about dogs.

SPEAKER_03 10:16

Let's I can see you say I can see you saying something like that.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

So that's kind of and then level three. I just I just I just feel like uh wow. You know, it's like I'm glad you feel that hot for each other, but I just I you know I'd rather not get involved. I'd rather not be involved in it. Like I wish it was happening outside my viewscape.

SPEAKER_03 10:50

I speaking of level three, a quick question. Like, have you seen a lot of level threes? Like you live in a larger city than myself. Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:59

You see everybody doing everything in the city, yeah. Everything's going down, you know, and so and you know, people just get excited. They get excited to see each other, and you know, maybe it's been a while and they they're getting goofy, you know. Um, in terms of I'm pretty I feel like it's I really do feel like it's a bit of an imposition to subject people to my uh relationship peccadillos.

SPEAKER_03 11:31

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. That's hot.

SPEAKER_02 11:33

I yeah. It's nothing like a good peccadillo. You know, I have to have a couple of drinks in me. Right. I stop at level one personally, all the you know, the basic ones. I don't really ever get to level two in public. I mean, it's probably happened, but not not often, and not that I can even remember. So I'm pretty boring when it comes to PDAs, I think. And I definitely I really am sensitive to people's, you know, encroaching on their space if somebody's enjoying, you know, a croissant and a coffee and their tables are close to each other. I don't think they need to watch me go nuts on somebody, or vice versa. They don't need to see that. They're just trying to have their morning, you know?

SPEAKER_03 12:15

Yeah. Again, it all depends location, location, location. It all depends on where you're at. Like if you're right next to someone at a cafe, you know, enjoy enjoying a cappuccino, like, okay, I'm not doing it there. But you one of the examples you said earlier was a park, right? I'm on a bench, you know, I like nature. You're out breathing in nature. Yeah, you know, I don't know. It just depends.

SPEAKER_02 12:38

Yeah, I and again, that's cool, you know, it's cool. And and I'm more comfortable with people going up in the levels when I have tons of space, so I can like deviate my path. Like, oh, you know what? I'm gonna walk a little wider around this. You know, but it sounds like you are more of a pull up your chair guy, you know. Sure. You're like, oh, hey, there's something to watch. I ain't seen that before. Let me just pull up my chair.

SPEAKER_03 13:03

I got a short attention span. Like you're gonna have to you're gonna have to change it up. Like if it's just all tongue, if it's all tongue all the time, okay. Well, this isn't original. But if they're mixing it up a little bit, I might stay for the show.

SPEAKER_02 13:17

But I do want to take it in a different direction for a moment. We know that uh we all know the cliche that a person is never too old to fall in love. We also know populations are aging around the world. It's kind of a problem, actually. And uh, we need to get used to the fact that we will be seeing more and more aging couples on dates, falling in love, and possibly making out.

SPEAKER_03 13:46

All right, this did this did take a path that I wasn't ready for. This did okay, okay. Yes, all the things you said is true, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

People 65 and older right now make up one-sixth of the population, but by 2040, it's gonna move up to one-fifth, 20%. So we can expect people to live longer on average. The uh the 85 and older population will grow from 6 million where we are now to about 15 million in 2040. It's gonna be a lot of old people hanging out. Yeah, and some people are grossed out when they see an older couple make well, you know, some people are grossed out by old people. Some people are grossed out when they see an older couple kind of making out.

SPEAKER_03 14:45

Huh.

SPEAKER_02 14:46

Now, a lot of I will say that a lot of people are down with the old, you know, it's cute when they see an older couple walking hand in hand in the park. Maybe it's a nice, crisp fall day. There's an old guy wearing a beret, a woman in a brightly colored coat, they're walking, slowly walking hand in hand. It's almost a Rockwellian portrayal of love between an aging couple. It's sweet, it's harmless, it's cute, but what about level two TBA with older people? What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_03 15:18

I I I don't maybe like I don't think I would want to see that.

SPEAKER_04 15:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:30

So maybe it's what I'm what I'm cool with is parallel with my particular age, right? Like as I get older, I think that that the range of what I would like, okay, I'm gonna sit and eat some popcorn and watch this go down. I think it goes up with that. Because like I don't know that I'd want to see that.

SPEAKER_02 15:50

Right. But what you're saying is your your frame of reference might change as you get older. Yeah, yeah. You might be, you know, in about another 30 years, you might be pulling up your chair to a couple of septigenarians getting down. Is what you kind of think.

SPEAKER_03 16:06

It's funny because as you were explaining level one, I would like to see that more than the other. Like, uh like, oh, you're right, it is adorable. Look at grandma and grandpa holding hands and oh, look, he gave her a little little little love squeeze or something, you know. And then you get up to level two, and like, oh yeah, keep it in the bingo parlor.

SPEAKER_02 16:29

I think a lot of people think that way. Like, if you see like a couple old people and they're they're squeezing parts, you're like, uh, I'm not sure about that. But let me tell you a little bit of info that maybe you didn't know. About 40%, four out of ten people between ages 65 and 80 are sexually active, according to a survey sponsored by AARP. And the University of Michigan. Yeah. Also, a lot of people don't know, but this is a real thing, it's not a joke, that sex among residents and nursing homes and other long-term care facilities is happening all the time. It's a big thing. It happens a lot more than people think, and for a lot of people who are uncomfortable with it, just the idea of older people making out in public, getting wrinkly with it. How's that? I made that up. That was all right. How about getting gummy with it?

SPEAKER_03 17:32

I like it back to wrinkles. Do you remember?

SPEAKER_02 17:35

I know you remember because you're a horror movie fan. Do you remember that scene in The Shining where the uh what's his name? Jack Nicholson finds the beautiful woman in the bathtub. Yeah. And they start making out, if I remember correctly, but then turns into an old, like decaying woman. With with gums? Yeah, do you remember that?

SPEAKER_03 17:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I do. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

So one of the things I noticed, so I've been watching that movie. I've watched that movie probably 10 times. I don't know. I really like it. It's one of my favorite books turned into movies, you know, my favorite Stephen King books turned into movies. And um and when I was younger, I don't know when that movie came out, but I was much younger, you know, when they showed the beautiful woman turning into an old lady, uh uh decaying with decaying skin and just looked really horrifying. I was grossed out. I was like, ew, like I'm turned on, then all of a sudden, ew, I don't want to see that. But now, because I'm older, when I I look at that scene, because I just watched this movie, I look at that scene and I go, you know, that old lady has nice eyes. So it's kind of like you were saying your frame of reference changes.

SPEAKER_03 18:46

Mine hasn't changed. Mine hasn't changed that much yet.

SPEAKER_02 18:50

But I'm saying, you well, you're still a young, you're still a young gentleman. I am not of a certain age. But I'm just saying, I'm a little farther down the road, and your perspective changes, and you start saying, well, you know, she's got all her fingers. No. By the way, the woman who played the young, beautiful woman in the bathtub was Leah Beldum from Switzerland. And she did like that movie, and she had a she had some sort of um cameo role in Ready Player One. I don't know what she did in that movie, and then she died.

SPEAKER_03 19:36

Speaking of a roller coaster, first of all, you pres you presented her weird. Like, here's her name from Switzerland. Like that was gonna mean a thing to me, and it did not. I thought it was weird.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

I just thought it was weird that I I what I want to know, and I was too lazy to really dig into the research on Leah Beldum. I want to know how did she get in this movie? Like, she must have known Kubrick or something, because it was like she was born in Switzerland, she went to secretarial college. Like, how did she get cast in this movie? She went to college in London. I just don't know how she got into it. You need to watch.

SPEAKER_03 20:14

There is a documentary. This is off topic. Documentary about the movie and Kubrick. I can't remember, it's the it's the the name of it is the the room number. I can't remember the name of the 237. Yep, yeah. And that's the name of it. And I uh I was recently getting a tattoo, and the guy and the guy doing the tattoo watched this. Well, first of all, we watched The Shining. This was 18 hours under the needle. We got it was we watched The Shining, and then he watched the documentary, and it was fascinating. I heard it's all made up. I mean, I don't know that for a fact, but the some of the things, some of the topics they hit is pretty interesting. You should check it out. I don't remember them mentioning the uh the actress in the bathtub.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

I know her name's Leah Beldum from Switzerland. From Switzerland. I want to know about this tattoo. What what's the tattoo? Did I see this tattoo? Is this the one you had last time I saw you?

SPEAKER_03 21:11

I had uh uh some legs, some leg ink when we last uh spoke, but as I'm getting first of all, I've wanted to get tattoos since I was 18. Wait until I was 40 to do so. So uh I've got a uh pretty significant arm tattoo of a rhinoceros in a top hat and a suit and a monocle. And he's wearing a vest, a lavender vest, which of course, as you know, because you were in it, uh that was my wedding colors. So just sort of a a shout out uh to various things in my life.

SPEAKER_02 21:45

I have some thoughts about why sometimes uh shining notwithstanding, it kind of creeps us out to see older people doing anything past level one. So if they're level one, it's cute, but if they go.

SPEAKER_03 22:02

No, thank you. I just I'm not in I'm not interested at this point in my life.

SPEAKER_02 22:07

It's not interested. You're not pulling up your chair to this. So, number one, these are reasons. I'm making it up so you can tell me what you think. Uh one, I always maintain that the pro one of the main reasons there's bias against older people is because when we look at an older person and we look at their saggy, wrinkly skin and everything that's going on as you know, the aging process continues, it reminds us of our mortality. Yeah, no, I mean that tracks and anything those people do kind of makes us cringe about our own mortality. It's like, oh my God, this is the path I'm on.

SPEAKER_03 22:46

I like the idea of it. Like when I'm that age, I want to do it too. I just don't want to see it. And maybe right now you're right. Maybe I see that, and it's just like it's like two grim reapers making out, and I just don't want to be there.

SPEAKER_02 23:00

Yeah, something, yeah, there's something disconcerting about older people, and this is and all these three thoughts I have are all overlapping. So they're there, they have things in common. But number two is just the general bias we have against older people. We marginalize them, we diminish them, we forget them, we ignore them, we treat them like children sometimes. We just kind of we we definitely put them out there on the margins in terms of their viability as humans on the planet. On average. I'm not saying you you do this or but or everyone does it, but on average, they're they are treated as less than fully human people by the world.

SPEAKER_03 23:45

I I agree. And I probably have done it myself, even maybe in this episode when we jest, I might have done it. But yeah, absolutely. I think people on whole uh sort of do marginalize um the elderly.

SPEAKER_02 23:59

Yeah, it's a thing. And then the last thing I'll say, which is something you kind of brought up before, and that even you know, the kindest persons among us stereotype older people as you know, funny grandma or weird old grandpa Joe. And when they step out of that, you know, grandpa grandma stereotype, you know, let me knit you a a quilt, uh, do you knit a quilt? No, you don't. Let me let me make you a sampler with your name on it. I don't know what sampler. Um isn't that like a thing you knit or something? A sampler?

SPEAKER_03 24:36

I I I've never heard that term for anything that you've knitted.

SPEAKER_02 24:41

A sampler? Well, crochet is a crochet? I don't how can you not know this? You're from the south where people are always making samplers, aren't they? I don't even know what is that is it something you wear? Is it like a scarf or a mitten?

SPEAKER_01 24:55

You put your put a name on it and you hang it up or something. You hang up knitted things? No, a sampler?

SPEAKER_03 25:03

A sampler. That's me. You never heard of a sampler? No one's heard of a sampler. I love the sampler. I was just telling, I was telling pop pop how much I love your samplers, and now I have one.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

I wanna I wanna see your sampler.

SPEAKER_03 25:24

Let me see your samplers. Let me see what I'm working with. Level two, level two.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

So it's just there's a stereotype, whatever they're doing, whittling, making samplers.

SPEAKER_03 25:37

No, that's not a thing. There's no samplers. After this is over, I want someone to send me a picture of a sampler.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

Uh okay. We will make sure that that happens. But whenever they step out of these cute little stereotypes, it creates a little bit of discomfort for us. We feel uncomfortable. For example, when we hear about craggers getting down, we just like, whoa, like, what? Like, why? I don't do that. As if somehow they haven't earned the right to do whatever they want. And so, in that they're somehow lost the ability to be fully developed human beings with sexual feelings and romantic feelings, it's it's really kind of interesting what we do. We basically want them to just, you know, play their part. They can be objects that adorn our landscape, you know, but don't like violate the basic assumptions we make about old people.

SPEAKER_03 26:39

Like if if they have like in your life, they have a certain, I don't want to call it a placeholder, but they have a certain thing, like, oh, it's uh it's oh uh grandpa, you know, he's fun to be around. He's he'll tell you a story, but uh, you know, when it comes to that business, no, no, thank you. Stick to samplers, grandma. I don't want to see it. I don't want to see it. So I didn't see that.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Close to home when when my father passed on, you know, you go through their things.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

Oh no.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

And he had a Costco size sampler package of uh condoms. Yeah, like 7,000 condoms like in a box.

SPEAKER_03 27:20

So uh I have a similar, similar story.

SPEAKER_02 27:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:25

Um, when my uh grandparents uh finally passed, or yeah, uh pass. One of them sort of passed, and when kind of moved into a facility. We were cleaning out this was years ago, we were cleaning out the house that they lived in, and we get down to the basement and we're you know, clean it, cleaning, cleaning it, and then we find this huge box of um real to real, and we're like, oh man, treasure trove, treasure trove. It's like it's gonna be, it's gonna be like old relatives and all this crazy. It was not, it was straight up old school vintage porn, like on real to real. Like we had gotten a machine fixed just to see like these, like with the new brand new bulb, and we freaked out because we knew who was watching it at one point, right? And we're like, oh my god, yeah, we were thinking that it was gonna be, you know, like great home movies, right? Like, oh look, there's there's grandpa when he was five, you know, it was not.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

So yeah. So when we we we discover like our parents or our grandparents are sexually active or were in their time, you know, when we thought they were knitting samplers or whatever they were doing, then it kind of makes us a little uncomfortable. And why is this so weird? Well, I gave you the reasons that I have, but I've been thinking about this because I'm fast approaching the age where I realize that just being on the planet disgusts people. Oh no, yeah, it's happening, it's happening.

SPEAKER_03 29:00

I feel like though, with your personality, you would own it. Like you would, yeah, you're gonna get it. Like if you if you get a hint that someone's like, old person alert, you're gonna get in their face.

SPEAKER_02 29:11

Problem is when you get older, people stop thinking you're unusual or quirky or weird, and they think of you as you're a freaky old person, and you need to be put down. Put down, you need to be put in a home. Yeah, it stops being it stops being kind of cute and charming, and it turns into you're disgusting.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

I feel like you've got several more years of cute and charming.

SPEAKER_02 29:44

I don't know, you know, because there's no avoiding it. If you're lucky, you get to live long enough to become a creepy old man.

SPEAKER_03 29:51

We all have goals.

SPEAKER_02 29:53

A creepy old man with a sampler in my pocket.

SPEAKER_03 29:56

Again, I don't know what that is. Like we've we've used sampler to describe multiple things now. Like, I have no clue what it is. I have a we have a sampler platter of cotton, we have a sampler of this. We made a sampler, we knitted a sampler. Like, I don't, I just don't know. I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_02 30:12

So I gave you three ideas about why do you do you like why is it weird to see it?

SPEAKER_03 30:18

I um boy, this I think I mean my answer in my head is gonna make me sound weird.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

Yeah, that's the one I want to hear. The answer in your head. So it's like this is why you're on the show, because you will give the answer in your head.

SPEAKER_03 30:33

Right, right, right. So for me, uh it would it's more of a what can I envision getting into, right? Like, so if I see someone my age or a little bit older, like I'm like level two, up, level three, level two, you know, going around that, I'm like, yeah, okay, I can sort of fantasize it being part of this couple, you know. But then when it gets to another an age that's much higher than what I'm uh I'm accustomed to looking at in public, um, it's like, oh no, I don't want to do that. No, and so it's instead of like, hey, I'm I'm I'm attracted to this, it's I am repulsed by this, even though I know if I'm lucky, as you said, I when I get to that age, I want to be doing that. Just right now, I don't. And so I think for me, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 31:24

Yeah, I think that's fair. I think that's part of it. Is like I you can't imagine like finding that attractive or wanting to be with with an older person, a really older person. So then it's like, yeah, that kind of turns you off and it makes it um maybe a little more uncomfortable. So it just is when it when people go to Wrinkletown, then it starts.

SPEAKER_03 31:43

Yeah, I think it's Wrinkleville. Like, and I I don't like to say that. That makes me I mean, we're talking about am I into watching people make out, right? But yes, yes.

SPEAKER_02 31:53

You said you would pull up a chair, right?

SPEAKER_03 31:56

Sure. Guess it's I guess it's wrinkle.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

I guess you put your finger on it, so to speak. Not really, because you don't know.

SPEAKER_03 32:04

How many wrinkles is there a wrinkle ratio? Like well, like you remember uh Hume Cronin, that actor?

SPEAKER_02 32:10

No, no, he was in uh like that movie Cocoon. Okay, where the old people let don't they get young for a while or something? Or something I can't even remember it. But yeah, Hume Cronin, Jessica Tandy, they were married, and they both never did any plastic surgery, as far as I know, which is uncommon for actors in Hollywood. They just let themselves turn into prunes, and somehow they always got work. Well, they were great actors. One, and two, some people just get away with, you know, shrink shrinking and shriveling, and they keep getting work. That's what I'm talking about. Raisin patrol.

SPEAKER_03 32:49

Raisin patrol. Yeah, I guess that's it. I guess that's it. Okay, that's fair.

SPEAKER_02 32:54

I appreciate it. I appreciate your honesty, and I know you're not alone in the world. My take on all this is, and and I know there are people who think, and I'll I qualified this at the beginning, I'll qualify it again here. I have no problem with anybody doing anything that they legally can do, that they're consenting to do. If they do it in public, it's just go, you know. I I don't care. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it or it's wrong. It's not like public dancing where that you should not do that. That's that should there should be a law against that for people over 35. Just stop. Get your robot out of our faces, guys. Over 35, stop wearing shorts. Come on, just stop.

SPEAKER_00 33:36

But anyway, I've had I shorts are fine.

SPEAKER_03 33:42

Like I uh, you know, and I'm down with shorts. I'm wearing shorts right now.

SPEAKER_02 33:46

I've never seen someone more distressed about managing their shorts. I've seen you struggling with short pants many times.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

I don't know what you're doing. Sometimes no idea what's going on in there.

SPEAKER_03 33:58

We worked out a lot together. Sometimes things get all a situation that needs to be forcibly removed.

SPEAKER_01 34:07

I've never seen a guy have to manage his pants more than you. Elbow deep up into my shorts. What's he doing? I don't know. And that's a form of PDA that I don't want to see.

SPEAKER_02 34:22

But my my take on all this is that I don't so do whatever you want, but personally, I think everyone should just to be respectful and to have some sensitivity to other people and what they may or may not want to see. When you're out in public, don't go above level one, just don't do it.

SPEAKER_01 34:44

And that includes, by the way, animals like dogs on the sidewalk. Hey, stay in level one.

SPEAKER_02 34:52

Don't go to the I don't want to see the Humpty Hump. Read the room, bingo.

SPEAKER_01 34:59

I go to the zoo and rhinos are getting nutty. I don't want to see that. Like I mean, I do it's too rough to me.

SPEAKER_03 35:07

Rhinos, like I can't think that I've ever seen rhino getting getting jiggy.

SPEAKER_01 35:10

You know, there's nothing romantic about rhinos. You know, going going to Bone Town.

SPEAKER_03 35:18

If there's nothing good about it, I don't know about that. I'm like, rhinos is an endangered species, so I'm like, yeah, you populate. I'm just saying, I'm glad it's happening.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:29

I just don't want to see it. Like, can they pull the curtain when that stuff goes on? I don't know. You're not interested in like elephants doing it, like no, pull the curtain. No, it looks unsafe. The bigger the animal, the bigger the animal, the more I'm down because I want to see how it works. You're pulling up your chair.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

Yeah. The bigger the animal. What? So, what about a couple of hamsters getting frisky?

SPEAKER_03 35:53

You're okay with that too. Who cares about that, right? Like, I know one wants to see that. But two whales? Like, how did two whales do it? Is it like, I mean, you know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how any of it works, but if it started to happen, I'd be like, wait, wait a minute. Let's let's just hold tight. I'm gonna see how this works.

SPEAKER_02 36:10

There's a top hat and a monocle involved. By the way, your tattoo sounds like Mr. Peanut.

SPEAKER_03 36:17

Sure, but in rhino form. I'll send you a picture.

SPEAKER_02 36:22

It's glorious. Okay, you send me a picture of your Mr. Peanut tattoo, and I'll send you a sampler. I don't want a sampler of samplers.

SPEAKER_03 36:32

I want to find out what a sampler is.

SPEAKER_02 36:35

Well, I think we have accomplished a lot in this episode. And people are thinking right now where they fall on the PDA scale that I made up. It's like, what are they willing to tolerate? Because I think we all have, no matter who we are, we all have certain boundaries that can get crossed by certain PDAs. That's what I think. I don't think most people are down with every single thing. I I know there are some people that just ignore it and don't care, but I think they're in the minority. That's my guess.

SPEAKER_03 37:05

I also feel like, and we didn't even talk about this at all, different cultures are probably more comfortable with more stuff. Like, yeah, I don't know. Or less. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 37:14

And less. Yeah. There's, you know, wherever you're listening to this, you you have your own frame of reference and your own point of view. And if you want to share that with us, you can reach out to us on Instagram, our emails uh addresses in the show notes. You can reach out that, um, reach out to us that way. We'd love to hear from you. We love to hear your comments and your encouraging thoughts. And uh, we appreciate you being here. You're part of our family, as I said at the beginning, and you're always welcome here. And if you want to give us a five-star glowing review on Apple Podcasts, we will likely read it on an upcoming episode. Rob, thanks for being here to talk about PDAs.

SPEAKER_03 37:55

Hey, thank you for that one person who said, Hey, I want more Rob. You're gonna get a follow-up email that says, Hey Ross, thanks. I'm good for about eight months.

SPEAKER_02 38:05

And we hope you will tune in to another episode because whether you are checking in to room 237, hoping to meet Leah Beldum from Switzerland. Oh, Switzerland.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

From Sweden. I thought I said Switzerland.

SPEAKER_03 38:24

I thought you said Sweden.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

Now it's all falling apart. She's from Switzerland. Not Sweden, that's a whole different country.

SPEAKER_03 38:33

They're both okay with public displays of affection.

SPEAKER_02 38:37

Or just someone with a pocket full of samplers. It's important to remember that we all smell like humans. Bye, everybody. By the way, I was recently looking at at that picture of us at your wedding, and uh my vest is too long.