SPEAKER_04 0:00

I watch nope. Yeah, that chimp went.

SPEAKER_00 0:03

He went nuts.

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That chimp lost his wig. Welcome to another episode of Smells Like Humans. This is the podcast where we explore the curious things that people do, the very human things that grab our attention, and cause us to wonder why and why. I'm Ross, your host, and my guest today is so special that if she were a sword, she would be a Typoo Sultan's bedchamber sword featuring a hilt inlaid with gold calligraphy. It's Jamie.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

I don't know what those words mean, but hi Ross.

SPEAKER_04 0:41

Hi, thanks for being here. It is a pleasure to have you all join us for this show. We are delighted that you're here. We're delighted that you tune in every week. You are part of our family, even if you don't want to be. We're glad you are here. So tuck in. We're about to get into something. Jamie, we know that humans are not able to perfectly record events and facts like a computer or a camera would, whatever. Our perception and our recall systems are subjective, highly malleable, and subject to influence. We were talking on a show that we were doing called I Don't Have a Thing to Wear.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:26

It was a little earlier in the season, uh maybe in the summer. Came out. It's a fun, it's a fun show, but somehow I during that show we were talking about fashion and weird choices people make. And I was insisting at one point that people wear at one point were wearing backward pants. And you said, no.

SPEAKER_00 1:47

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:47

That wasn't happening. You are just experiencing the Mandela effect. And I had no idea what you were talking about. One of the things I was convinced of during our episode was that Sinbad, the comedian, had been in a genie movie.

SPEAKER_00 2:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:02

And that's when you said, Oh, hold on there.

SPEAKER_00 2:06

Hold on now.

SPEAKER_04 2:08

You are wrong, sir.

SPEAKER_00 2:10

But people think that.

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They are convinced.

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So many people think that.

SPEAKER_04 2:14

I'd never heard it before. And just here's here's just a quick sample of our conversation about the Mandela effect.

SPEAKER_00 2:21

There's a thing that it's called where people think they remember something and it's like a bunch of people think they remember it, but it's not a thing.

SPEAKER_04 2:30

It's uh you're talking about like a mass hallucination? A suggested memory?

SPEAKER_00 2:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:38

Well th Sinbad played a genie. That maybe that's what it's called. Do you think Sinbad played a genie because he did the Mandela effect. The Mandela effect. And what's the Mandela effect while you're at it?

SPEAKER_00 2:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:55

The same wrong thing.

SPEAKER_00 2:56

Isn't that actually a thing. Right. Didn't actually exist.

SPEAKER_04 2:59

Right.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Like everyone thinks there was a movie called Kazam with Shack in it. But there was never a movie called Shazam with Sinbad.

SPEAKER_04 3:08

Since then, I realized maybe there was something to this.

SPEAKER_00 3:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 3:12

And I started to investigate the Mandela effect. Which, if I can simplify, at least the way I understand it. It's clear memories that many people have. Many people that are in fact false. They're not they're not accurate, but people are convinced that they are. And it's called the Mandela Effect because at one point a lot of people thought Mr. Mandela was dead when he was still alive. So you got me going on this. And I read about it. I went through all the examples. And there's even a movie called The Mandela Effect. Yes. I've watched it twice so I could really bone up.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_04 3:56

That's an old expression you probably haven't heard before. You hear people saying it today?

SPEAKER_00 4:02

Uh just you.

SPEAKER_04 4:03

Any of your friends? Any of your friends say, Jamie, I'm boning up.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

Right. Yeah, the teenagers walk past my house and they say all the time. I'm sure that's what they're saying.

SPEAKER_04 4:13

Yeah. Well, I watched the movie, The Mandela Effect, which ultimately is sort of a sci-fi fantasy about loss and redemption. It's the kind of movie you watch when you just want to be lightly entertained and you're willing to do a deep suspension of your disbelief. Yeah. And I like movies like that when I'm in the right mood, where I'm not going to come at it with a bunch of judgment and a lot of analysis. I just want to be lightly entertained. And that's what the Mandela Effect movie brings you. The reason there are people, not everybody, but so-called many people who have clear memories of things that didn't happen is because we're living in a computer simulation. Okay. And every time the program is updated or changed, there are little small errors that are made in the program.

SPEAKER_00 5:01

A glitch in the matrix.

SPEAKER_04 5:02

There's a glitch. And so in a previous iteration of the program, maybe Sinbad was in a genie movie. But now we some people remember that and some people don't. And the simple example, and there's a whole list of these examples, is the peanut butter jiff, which some people are convinced at some point was called Jiffy. And they will go nuts. No, Jif, no, it's Jiffy. What do you remember about the peanut butter? Jif or Jiffy? Jif, for sure. Well, I because I've lived for many, many centuries, I remember the early commercials and they would say, Choosy mothers, choose Jif. Yes. And so for me, that wasn't one. Yeah. I never thought. I think people are getting skippy and jiffy jammed up. I'm glad you said that because that is a very reasonable explanation. And the other thing that they're have in their brain somewhere is jiffy lube. Oh, yeah. So there is a jiffy lube in their life. And you should everyone should have that.

SPEAKER_00 6:23

I was uh I was eating Cheez Its the other day, don't judge me.

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Because No, Cheez Its are a perfectly normal health food.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

And I thought, was there a thing called cheese nips?

SPEAKER_04 6:33

Yes, there was.

SPEAKER_00 6:34

And there was, right?

SPEAKER_04 6:35

There were cheese nips.

SPEAKER_00 6:36

And I was for a second I thought I was nuts that like, no, it's just there's just cheese Its, but I think cheese nips, which is a weird name.

SPEAKER_04 6:43

Yeah, I think they stopped calling it that for various reasons. But there were cheese its, and it's one of the examples. There it there are people who are convinced that it used to be cheese it, and there would be a Z after the IT. So it would be cheese its when it's just called Cheese It.

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No S or E.

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No S, no nothing.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

Oh man.

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So there are people I don't happen to remember.

SPEAKER_00 7:12

I was even eating them and I didn't realize that it was a chance.

SPEAKER_04 7:14

No, you were eating cheese nips, which again, it's like I want to be at these product meetings when they're thinking of the names. And my favorite one is Do you like Cheez Its?

SPEAKER_00 7:27

That's not sexy enough though. Cheese nips.

SPEAKER_04 7:31

Come on, can we go to is there a do you have another idea?

SPEAKER_00 7:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 7:35

Was there a plan B ever? Is there yeah? Can we do a backup plan? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

I like two things and two things only. That's what we're calling it.

SPEAKER_04 7:43

So my first question is Do you believe the fact that people misremember certain facts and are absolutely convinced that somebody like Sinbad was actually in a genie movie, which he was not, apparently, even though I insisted to you on that episode that it was. Insisted to my abject embarrassment. So people misremember things like they're absolutely convinced it was called Jiffy, which it never was. Yeah. Is that evidence that we're in a simulation or some parallel universe or some other supernatural thing going on? Makes sense to me. So you're you're all in that. You're all in for that. Let's go through the examples. Okay. You don't remember Jiffy. No. That's not a mistake you've made. No. Okay, the another big one that becomes manifest in the movie that I was talking about, the Mandela Effect, is Looney Tunes.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 8:36

Some people go nuts about Looney Tunes because they think that the tunes at one point was T-O-O-N-S. Uh-huh. When in fact it's T-U-N-E-S. Looney tunes.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

That one, that one I can get behind. I feel like that's something that That's what you remember.

SPEAKER_04 8:57

Yeah. You thought it was T-O-O-N-S.

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:00

When at a time when there was no TV to watch. Uh-huh. It was just welcome to Crapchester.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

Right.

SPEAKER_04 9:09

So we watched a lot of these old cartoons, Bugs, Bunny, and Junk. And I never thought it was T-O-O-N-S. Never. Never. Never thought that.

SPEAKER_00 9:18

But that's one that like I don't think that it was, but it does give me pause when you mention it that I'm like, wait, was it?

SPEAKER_04 9:26

I think that's also part of it. Yeah. Is that a lot of the stuff we don't really, we're not really processing at a deep level. We're just kind of like, oh yeah, I'm used to seeing that. Cheese nips, cheese nips, cheese nips, or whatever your thing is. And then somebody says, but no, it was never this. And then you're like, oh, I don't guess I don't even know what it was. And so you start having these doubts. The other big one, they love this one, the people that are into this. The Barenstein Bears or the Barenstein Bears.

SPEAKER_00 9:58

With an A?

SPEAKER_04 10:00

So think of the word stain. Stein. Or steen. Almost it almost to me it reads like Baron Stein versus Baron Stein. Yeah. What do you think is the right one? The E. Yeah, it's Baron Stein.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

What?

SPEAKER_04 10:15

Yeah, it's Baron Stein. Now this is an example of one for me that I just never really paid attention to because these bears look like a bunch of dopes.

SPEAKER_00 10:23

Right.

SPEAKER_04 10:24

I don't want to know anything about them. It's like, hey, here's a book about a bunch of goobs. Yeah. You want to read it? No. Why would I read that as a kid? Right. Is does anything blow up? Do one of these bears. Too wholesome. Yeah, come on. Like, do one of these bears get, you know, one of them hanging from a rafter somewhere?

SPEAKER_00 10:48

It's not dark enough.

SPEAKER_04 10:50

Yeah, it's actually Baron Stain bears. Again, I want to be at the meeting. I want to be at the meeting.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:55

Like, why stain?

SPEAKER_00 10:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:58

But that's what they're called. So people see that and they freak out. Like, no, it's always Barenstein. Well, if you asked me, even though I never read these books or liked them or didn't like that they were in the world and hoped that all these bears were murdered, I would have also said Baron Steen because that's just a more normal last name. And I'm just vaguely even aware of it. So I would be like, Oh yeah, that sounds weird that it's that. But it doesn't strike me as being um definitive. Yeah. So let's go to another. There's many examples. Totally. Okay. This is big and it's in the movie. Plays a big role in the movie. Curious George. Remember that dude?

SPEAKER_00 11:35

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 11:36

It's a monk.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 11:37

Monkey?

SPEAKER_00 11:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:38

I like a good monkey.

SPEAKER_00 11:40

Yeah. Same. I enjoy a monkey. Agreed.

SPEAKER_04 11:42

You know, I'd have a monkey as a pet, and then I read that. That one, what was it? Uh, orangutan that ripped off the face.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

That face, yeah. Anytime that kind of soured it for me as well.

SPEAKER_04 11:51

When you get your face ripped off, it's like, you know, maybe that was a mistake getting that monkey. Right. I can't remember what kind of primate we're talking about here. But I think it was an orangutan.

SPEAKER_00 12:01

I think it was a I thought it was a chimp. Oh, it was a chimp? Yeah. I think it was a chimp.

SPEAKER_04 12:04

You know, those chimps, they get off their feed and they become unpredictable.

SPEAKER_00 12:07

Right.

SPEAKER_04 12:08

You know, like their little bipolar.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

Did you watch nope?

SPEAKER_04 12:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

Yeah, like that.

SPEAKER_04 12:13

I watch nope. Yeah, that chimp went. He went nuts. That chimp lost his wig. So curious George, speaking of losing stuff, does he have a tail or no tail in real life?

SPEAKER_00 12:30

I have no earthly idea.

SPEAKER_04 12:32

You you are not a curious George.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

I was not a Curious George person.

SPEAKER_04 12:36

Seems like he should. He could have been part of the Barenstein Bears. Barenstein Bears because he has a stupid, happy face. Yeah. Too cheerful. Don't care for it. I used to call those stupid, happy faces. I used to call them punchable faces.

SPEAKER_00 12:51

Yes, punchable.

SPEAKER_04 12:52

Like that's a face that needs to be punched. And now you know what's wrong with me. Like why am I?

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Well, one of the things.

SPEAKER_04 12:59

Why am I so like wanting to punch a cartoon face? Too happy. That's a weird or like those happy little uh stuffed animals stuff. Just punch that. Yeah. Just punch that tail. Punchable. Tail or no tail? You don't know.

SPEAKER_00 13:13

I'm gonna go with tail.

SPEAKER_04 13:15

No tail. That's never a tail. And people freak out. They know I can't. And it's like, okay, I never paid attention. So for me, that's still that's not helping me. Okay, here's one that's more contemporary. Okay. Is it sex and the city or sex in the city? Sex in the city. It's sex and the city.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

I was gonna say that first, and then I second guessed myself.

SPEAKER_04 13:40

Sex in the city was like sounds like the porno version.

SPEAKER_00 13:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:45

I'm sure there is a porno version of that. That sounds like the porno. You know how they used to definitely. I don't know if they do that anymore. They used to back in the day, they'd they'd have come up with no matter what it was. Like I remember there was a movie with Michael Douglas and uh Catherine, what's her name? I can't remember name. But Michael Douglas, it was called Romancing the Stone.

SPEAKER_00 14:03

Yeah. Romancing the Bone.

SPEAKER_04 14:04

Yeah, they came out with Romancing the Bone, and that was a test for you to see if you're into the Well, they definitely still do that because Oh, they do.

SPEAKER_00 14:11

Yeah, we we download we legally, legally download movies sometimes. Don't look into it. Um, but when we go to look up whatever movie we're trying to download, uh just a bunch of porns of those. Just a bunch of porns. And one of them It's really hard to find the actual movie. Yes, because you're all there's so many and one of them's called spoofs. Cheese nips.

SPEAKER_04 14:34

That's the worst one. Okay. It's sex and the city.

SPEAKER_00 14:38

Sex and the city.

SPEAKER_04 14:40

This is one that some people freak out over. It's Fabrize. How do you spell it? Do you spell it F-E-B-R-E-E-Z-E Fabriz? Or do you spell it F-E-B-R-E-Z E? So E. Yeah, it actually, if you're reading it phonetically, it would be Fabrez A.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

Yes, which is how I pronounce it.

SPEAKER_04 15:02

And that's how all the fancy people pronounce it.

SPEAKER_03 15:05

You know what we need in this house? This house is a little how should we say stinkified. We need some fabres.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

Just spritz the fabres.

SPEAKER_02 15:17

Let's go to Tage and buy a case of Fabres A. And perhaps uh I'm not shown a name.

SPEAKER_04 15:24

Yeah, so people freak out because it's not Febrize, literally B-R-E-E-Z-E, like you'd be spelling breeze. But that, like if you look at it, it covers the entire bottle if it was that long. And that's one of the reasons they didn't do it, because it's like uh We can't fit that many. We have to make the bottle fatter than we want to. We don't want a fat bottle. And who does? Who does? I've never seen anyone ask for a fat bottle.

SPEAKER_00 15:48

I'm gonna go to a doctor for that.

SPEAKER_04 15:50

So Fabrize doesn't do it for me. Okay, here's one that people freak out over. Oscar Meyer, the Wiener people.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 15:57

Is it M-E-Y-E-R? Yes. Or M-A-Y-E-R.

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E.

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It's Meyer with an A.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Oh my God. I'm doing horrible at this.

SPEAKER_04 16:07

No, and most people do, but these are very to me, these are very understandable mistakes because we go through our world grabbing Wieners and baloney, and we're not really looking at how these things are spelled. Like we're grabbing our Fabrese, we're grabbing our wieners, and we're grabbing our nips, our cheese nips, and we are putting them in our cart or basket and we're going on our way. We're not like memorizing all this junk. Right. And there's so much stuff. If we, I'll tell you this. If we as human beings had to process all the information that was available to us in any moment, there's so much sensory information bombarding us all the time. If we had to process all of that accurately, we wouldn't be able to cross the street. We couldn't focus. We evolved to be selective perceivers of information. We only focus on what we absolutely need to in order to take our next step and avoid getting eaten by the dyno. Okay. And so the fact that a lot of people don't know it's for Bres and not for Breeze. I mean, to me, that makes sense. Because I mean, I'm never looking at this stuff very closely, but Oscar Meyer, that's another one. Oscar Meyer, it sounds like uh somebody who was in Schindler's list.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

Right.

SPEAKER_04 17:28

So I never thought that was okay. Let's go on. There's many more. Okay, sketchers. Does it have a T or no T?

SPEAKER_00 17:35

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 17:35

No T.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

What?

SPEAKER_04 17:37

Yep. Okay, here's another one. Oh, this is a big one.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Fruit Loops.

SPEAKER_04 17:42

How's it spelled? How's fruit spelled in the fruit?

SPEAKER_00 17:45

The O O T.

SPEAKER_04 17:46

Yeah, that's how it's actually spelled. But a lot of people think, no, it's fruit. F R you know, it's spelled correctly. No, that's not what they do with cereal.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

No. They make it sillier.

SPEAKER_04 17:54

Okay, here's a big one.

SPEAKER_00 17:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 17:56

This one, I really okay. Well, let me see what you think. Monopoly Man. Yeah. Remember the Monopoly man with the top hat? He's got a sack of cash and he's running like hell. He's like in full sprint. He looks like MJ going for a jam. No, he's holding on to his hat. The Monopoly Man.

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The question is, does he have a monocle or not? Yes.

SPEAKER_04 18:16

Yes to the monocle? Yes to the monocle. No monocle. And people freak out. Like, no, he always had it. But you know who had a monocle. Who?

SPEAKER_00 18:25

The peanut guy.

SPEAKER_04 18:26

Yeah, Mr. Peanut with the he had the same thing. He had the hat. Yeah, the strip. The top hat. And so I and he also dressed up. Right. Did not make me excited about eating peanuts, though. That Mr. Peanut. Like, no. Unless it's peanut butter. I like peanuts, but Mr. Peanut just seemed like a guy I did not want to hang with.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 18:47

But yeah, so I think people, it's like it would make sense to me that people would kind of think, oh yeah, you just have a monocle.

SPEAKER_00 18:53

They're both fancy men. Huh? They're both fancy men.

SPEAKER_04 18:56

They're both fancy men.

SPEAKER_00 18:57

They seem like they should have monocles. They they do.

SPEAKER_04 19:01

They do. They should be using Fabres A. Okay. This is from your world. Okay. When I say your world, I mean your generation, I'm assuming. Pikachu. Okay. Does he have a tail with some black on it? Or does he have a tail that's just all yellow? I'll give you a hint. He does have black ear tips. He does.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

Uh yellow.

SPEAKER_04 19:29

Yeah, that's how he is. That yellow one is the right one. Okay. All yellow, but people get nutty about that one.

SPEAKER_00 19:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 19:36

People think Kit Kat has a hyphen in it, but it doesn't. The Kit Kat Bar. Double stuff Oreos. Only one F and stuff. That's another example. People bring up the Mona Lisa how her smile used to be bigger. What? Some people don't know that C3PO.

SPEAKER_00 19:57

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 19:57

Remember that I had a teenager come up to me and said, You could be C3PO.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

Oh, is that a compliment?

SPEAKER_04 20:04

I was talking in a weird voice that I think reminded. Yeah, no, I don't think it was a compliment. No, no, no. You know who you look like. You know what? When teenagers come up to you at a golden robot. Whatever they say is not a compliment. No, even if it sounds like one.

SPEAKER_00 20:20

Yeah. They're roasting your ass. They're roasting you. I always assume that. They're roasting your ass.

SPEAKER_04 20:27

Okay, so C3PO in real life has one leg that's silver. And a lot of people don't know that. No. He isn't all gold. He has a silver.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

I strongly disagree.

SPEAKER_04 20:41

According to this article, and I'll post it in the show notes. Here's one that I knew was wrong, but a lot of people think it's, you know, are confused by this. They don't know how the Flintstones spelled their names. And if you ever watched, and again, because I had to watch the show because I don't know if I told you earlier, but it was Welcome to Craftchester on TV. There was absolutely nothing on.

SPEAKER_01 21:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:03

What okay, we have to watch the Flintstones. Okay, so I know how this how they spelled their name. You were talking with a fl a T after the N or is it Flint Flint like Flint to like you'd sharpen a or start a start a fire campfire with a flint? Is it flint stones or flint stones? No T. It's Flint stones.

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Yeah, that makes more sense.

SPEAKER_04 21:27

Of course, because it was all about starting a fire back in the day. Then we go to all the movie quotes that people remember incorrectly and the song lyrics. And for me, that's always been a thing.

SPEAKER_00 21:40

Always a thing.

SPEAKER_04 21:41

Always a thing. And before we got crazy with conspiracies and glitches in the matrix and red pill and Neo and all the stuff, before we got all excited about that junk, we used to say, Oh, that's interesting. Yeah, I always thought it was this. Uh huh. Always thought this is what they said. Oh, kind of cool. And then we'd move on.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Right.

SPEAKER_04 22:00

Because we had junk to do.

SPEAKER_00 22:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:02

And there was no internet. So you couldn't get anybody going about anything. Now it's people are just waiting to get going about stuff.

SPEAKER_03 22:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:10

There's like millions of people who sit at their computer waiting to get going. Tell me who to hate right now. Uh-huh. And I don't need to know why. I just want to get going on something. Yeah. I want to get after it. Tell me what to believe right now. It doesn't matter how nutty it is. I want to get going on something. That's where we are right now. So now, what are they getting going about? So there was a famous movie called Casablanca starring Humphrey Bogart and Ingrid Bergman. And if you've never seen it, it's still a great movie. That movie still works today. Never seen it, have you?

SPEAKER_00 22:52

No.

SPEAKER_04 22:52

But it's awesome. It's still watchable. A lot of those old movies that people say are great, they stink. Yeah. But this one works. It's really classic. It's really good. It's really well done. Great acting, great dialogue. People remember that the key line, which I'm sure you've heard, is play it again, Sam, referring to the piano player at this place where a lot of the movie takes place. Play it again, Sam Humphrey Bogart is supposed to say. And he never says it. He says, play it, Sam. And it's referring to a tune that meant something to the both of them. Play it, Sam. Not play it again. Luke, I am your father from Star Wars. He doesn't say Luke, I am your father.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

What does he say?

SPEAKER_04 23:38

Luke, I am your father. He doesn't say that. He says, No, I am your father. No. He says, No, I am your father. No, what? Not Luke. I gotta tell you, went back and listened to that one. I don't know what the hell he's saying. Oh. The guy, you know, Darth Vader's diction was crap. Yes. Like, how about not having that big gas breathing mask on your head?

SPEAKER_00 24:04

You got a lot of technology. I'm sure you could figure this out.

SPEAKER_04 24:07

You triangle-headed bastard. Get out of my face with that. Somebody need to just uh smack that guy a couple times. I mean, come on. You're what century? What is this supposed to be a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away? But it's is it in the past, but it's in a very sophisticated futuristic past? And that's the best outfit. Come on. Darth. A cape? DV. So impractical. Yeah, the cape. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 24:39

You get caught on all kinds of stuff.

SPEAKER_04 24:40

I'm so sick of Darth Vader with his cape and his mask and his breathing. That breathing. Oh, can you imagine? He couldn't he would get killed on Bumble. Oh, yeah. He would never get a date. You go out on your first meetup. It's like I can't live with that. Mouth breathing? Yeah, you freaking knuckle scraping mouth breather. Take your oxygen tank and go down the road. He says, No, I am your father. That's a big one. This goes on and on. Jaws, everybody remembers we're gonna need a bigger boat.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:16

That's a great line, and we've viewed people have used that as a punchline ever since that movie came out, which I think it was in the 70s. That's the movie I took on a first date I took my this girl to in high school, and we went to see Jaws, the original, because I made like a hundred of them.

SPEAKER_00 25:36

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 25:36

I mean, at some point Jaws is the shark is wearing a monocle and a top hat. That's how many they made. Jaws is working at a jiffy lube. So during the date, the movie's scary, and my date, our first date, during the movie, she I put my arm around her. I make my move.

SPEAKER_00 25:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:56

Put my arm around her. And she, have I told you this before? I think I've had. I think so. She puts her hand somehow, so my arm is around her, left arm around her. Uh-huh. She puts, I guess, one of her hands on top of my hand, and I feel like it's an affectionate, like, you've got your arm around me, and I'm holding your hand kind of.

SPEAKER_00 26:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 26:13

And I felt like this is working out.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

Yeah, this is great.

SPEAKER_04 26:16

And my mind, while everybody's screaming at the shark, eating everyone. Yeah. I'm just thinking about maybe getting a little action later. Yeah. So I walk her to her door after everything. It's been a nice time, and I start to lean in for the kiss, which I've been excited about for a few hours. Yeah. And she says, Hey, remember during the movie when you put your arm around me? Yeah. And I go, Yeah. Remember when I put my hand on yours?

SPEAKER_02 26:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:51

Do you know why I did that? And I'm like, uh oh. And she says, because I didn't want it to roam. Oh. And I'm like, oh. There was no kiss.

SPEAKER_00 27:05

No. She thought you're going for the cheese nips.

SPEAKER_04 27:08

The actual sentence uttered by Roy Scheider is, you're gonna need a bigger boat. Not we're gonna need a bigger boat. You're gonna need a bigger boat. And so part of what happens with these things is that people don't always remember things perfectly. They misquote things and it just bec it just snowballs. Yeah, it just becomes part of the vernacular. It just becomes, we just hear it as jokes, we hear it as punchlines, and we all just kind of go along with it. And people are constantly making these kinds of mistakes, and it becomes part of you know our popular knowledge of what was the movie was said, and no one's going back and checking the exact quotes. Did you ever watch the movie with Tom Cruise called Risky Business? It was one of his first films, big films. No. So there's a big scene, I bet you've seen parodied where he's dancing in his underwear.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:01

Well, people are convinced he was wearing sunglasses in that scene. Yeah. And he is not. But he does wear sunglasses in that movie.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

Huh.

SPEAKER_04 28:10

But not in that scene.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

That's interesting because I feel like they've like done parodies of that on other movies and they're always wearing sunglasses.

SPEAKER_04 28:17

What people say who are deeply into this Mandela effect say these are all micro errors that are made in the computer program. Every time it gets they make any change or update the program, there are these little breadcrumb glitches that remain, and that's that's you know, that's why at one point it probably it was Jiffy. And that's why people remember that. Because in a previous iteration of the program that we're all in, that's how it was. So that's the proof. Okay, so here's here's my take on this. And by the way, I would love for this to be true. We did a show about this, I think earlier this season. We've done so many episodes, I don't even remember when we did it, but it's called Life is Just a Game, no really. And I make the argument that we there's a very high chance that we are in a computer simulation. I'm really, I'm all about that.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:13

But here's my take on the old Mandela effect. First of all, as I mentioned from the outset, perception and memory are totally subjective. That's why eyewitness testimony is so unreliable. Sure. People are convinced they saw a red car hit the blue car. And they are totally wrong. All the scientific research has shown that the more convinced an eyewitness is about what they saw, the more convinced they are is not at all correlated to their accuracy. You can be totally convinced you saw the red car hit the blue car and be totally wrong. There's no relationship between how you feel, how sure you are. And I think we've all been in that situation where a family member or a friend will say, No, that's not what happened, don't you remember? And then you're like, oh wow, I totally remembered it differently.

SPEAKER_03 30:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 30:09

I have lots of memories from when I was a kid, but I don't remember any of my siblings ever being being there. It's like I went to the World's Fair. Right. By myself. Yeah. As if what? I was in a big family. What was my parents going to do with the rest of the jokers? All the jokers went. And then I see a picture of us all there, and I'm like, oh, I guess you were there too. I guess I wasn't an only child. It's just in my mind. It's just in my mind that I was an only child. Okay, so that's number one is memory is extremely fallible, it's extremely subjective. The whole way we take in information is subjective. You see, we can be in the exact same situation, and you see, feel, smell, hear totally different things than I do. And you take away totally different things. And we might not even agree. Have you ever been in a relationship? Yes, of course. You then you know that you don't always see and hear things the same way. Yeah. And sometimes many conversations in relationships are based on what do you mean? Yeah. You didn't hear, know, or see. You know, one of the things that people point to is that so many people are making these same kinds of errors. So that must be evidence of a glitch in the computer simulation, or that we are in a parallel universe, but there are so many people who don't have these experiences. People like me, for example, who have very few of them, but there are lots and lots of people who don't have these experiences. And when you think about the entire baseline of humans in the world, yeah. And what a small number of people actually are having these experiences, and many of them aren't having the same experience, they're having different experiences. It's not as compelling when you realize it's a mere tiny, tiny fraction. If you have a few thousand, even if it's a hundred thousand or two hundred thousand people on the internet claiming, you know, in videos and in posts saying, no, I'm convinced it was this. It wasn't Berenstein, it was Barenstein. I'm absolutely convinced. When you look at it across the baseline of all the people in the world, it's really not that much. The other thing I have to point out, and I have not done an exhaustive study of all of the Mandela effects, a high, very high percentage of the ones that are cited all are Western things, and a lot of them are things that you would associate with the United States. Yeah. And I don't know if Asia has their own Mandela effects or Africa, you know, but I don't see anything about that in the articles that I'm seeing. And so that's interesting to me too. I just find it curious that people use these pretty, to me, understandable mistakes that people would make about how to spell Febreze, like that kind of thing, or movie quotes or song lyrics. It's like that's that's your evidence like something's going on. To me, it they're pretty understandable. Like none of the examples that I looked at, whether I remembered it that way or not, most of them I didn't, but even the ones where I was confused about, it didn't seem very compelling to me to prove that we're in a mate we're in a computer simulation or a parallel universe or whatever you want to believe. I just feel like there should be more. And specifically, I would think if you're these breadcrumb errors that are left when the computer program is changed or updated or 5.0 or whatever it is, whoever's running this program that we're in, these errors crop up, that they would be spread randomly throughout the simulation. And instead, what we see, so what I mean by that is that okay, so you'd have the jiffy jiff thing, you'd have the Bernstein Bernstein thing, but you'd also have something like the Grand Canyon is now in Pennsylvania. What? Right. I I've been to Arizona, I've seen it there, and people say, Nope, not there. Turns out it's not there. That now then I'd be going, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what's happening here? Or World War II, you remember that? Never happened. Yeah, it was only World War I. It was called the War to End All Wars, the Great War. There was no World War II, and you'd be like, No, I know for a fact I studied in school. Yeah. Or Big Ben the clock. It's in Paris. Right. No. No way. Elvis is from Africa. No. He's not from Africa.

SPEAKER_00 34:47

No, he's not.

SPEAKER_04 34:48

I feel like there ought to be some of those errors too. Like those big ones. Huge ones. Because I feel like the errors are going to be distributed normally throughout the simulation. It's just basic statistics. So they're not all going to be these tiny little insignificant. What do you mean you spill Febreze that way? It just seems like there ought to be a couple of ones where like the Washington Monument isn't there anymore. Where is it?

SPEAKER_00 35:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:10

I to me, then I'd be like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:14

Something's happening.

SPEAKER_04 35:15

Something is going on. There should be some kind of glitch like that. And there are these really to me, these are all understandable.

SPEAKER_00 35:22

Yeah. Okay. Explainable. They're all explainable.

SPEAKER_04 35:25

I would love it if there were some of those big errors.

SPEAKER_00 35:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:28

You know, like there's no Hawaii.

SPEAKER_00 35:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:32

Like there, or there's like instead of being 50 states in America, there's like 150. Yeah. And you're like, wait, where did we get this happen? Where did we get Framoland? Where did we get Cheese Nipville? What do you think about that? I mean, those are my reasons why I'm not, I just don't find it. I want to believe, but I'm not convinced. But what do you think? Am I just being too cynical?

SPEAKER_00 35:59

Yeah, I feel I feel like there should be some larger errors than just a one letter's different.

SPEAKER_04 36:07

Yeah, because I feel like you know, if you were giving somebody a test on these kinds of details, you would expect a lot of people to get it wrong. Right. If if you just subtract out the whole fun of, and I love a conspiracy just like the next person. I love these fantastic stories and narratives. I love all that junk. Come on. I'm I'll go down any rabbit hole. I don't even care if there's a rabbit in the hole. Right. I'll go down it. People are constantly making perceptual mistakes. There was a point in time in my we, the whole family moved to Fort Lauderdale for two weeks for a job that went away for my dad. Yeah. When then we moved away again. We only lived there two weeks, so not very long. Yeah. And we I was having a conversation with my family, and like a couple of people said, Oh, we lived in Miami for two weeks. I'm like, no. And fortunately, I could prove it because they were convinced. Like, no, it was Miami. I remember everything. Miami. I'm like, they're convinced. It's very common. You know, it's it's fun. I really I appreciate the fun like of that movie, The Mandela Effect, where we're getting excited about Monopoly monocles and stuff. Like that's just like, wow, how could that how could that be? Yeah. But if you didn't have the fantastic Mandela theory, it would just be like, oh yeah, it's kind of weird. I thought it had he had a monocle, but he doesn't.

SPEAKER_00 37:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:30

Well, there's so many things. Well, yeah, but they're all about the same kinds of things. Like how do you spell products? Yeah. Movie lines. I don't know. So the Mandela effect doesn't really, I don't get all juicy about it.

SPEAKER_00 37:45

No, it's fun, silly. It is fun. Fun, silly, but not that serious.

SPEAKER_04 37:50

You know what I get juicy about? I would love to know. I get juicy about deja vu.

SPEAKER_00 37:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:57

We used to say that was the proof that there's a glitch in the matrix is when you think you've seen. I mean, deja vu means already seen. Yeah. So it's like you think you've experienced a certain event before. It's like it's so believable.

SPEAKER_00 38:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:10

Have you ever, of course, you've experienced that probably. Sure, yeah. And and that people said that's the sh proof that this glitch in the matrix, because some probably some earlier iteration, you did do that before. You did say those words. Because you're like, sometimes in the middle of a deja vu experience, as you're talking, it's like, and I'm saying words that I said just it's so real, right? I like I like the deja vu.

SPEAKER_00 38:36

Yeah, it's fun.

SPEAKER_04 38:37

And that's something that to me is more compelling because it's a real unusual experience.

SPEAKER_03 38:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:44

The fact that people don't know whether it's Jiffy or Jif or Flintstones or Flintstones.

SPEAKER_03 38:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:50

That doesn't get me juicy. But this deja vu thing, like I'm actually experiencing it's real, man. It's happening right now.

SPEAKER_00 38:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:58

I like it. Now it turns out there's probably just random brain activity. It's like a brain mistake.

SPEAKER_00 39:05

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 39:05

Your brain. Yeah, that's what the scientists think. The part of the brain that's responsible for detecting familiarity, which is the medial temporal lobe. It's located just behind the cheese nip. No, it's located just behind your temple.

SPEAKER_00 39:21

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 39:21

It plays a large role in encoding and retrieving memories. Every once in a while it just fires off over enthusiastically for no particular reason. And so it's just random brain firing.

SPEAKER_00 39:37

I think they're both super, super interesting. The deja vu's like a fun feeling that you get that it's like kind of a I don't know, freaky. But the Mandela effect effect is kind of more uh silly and fun to explore. And just to scroll through the list of all of the things and be like, oh my god, I totally thought that, you know. I don't know. They're just they both seem silly fun good times to me.

SPEAKER_04 39:59

It is silly fun good times. And I think we don't have enough of that in our lives. So I totally get all the different. I mean, I've there's been times in my life where I get excited about certain theories and things, and they the proof for which is lacking is just fun. You know, it's just it's a some people take it a little bit too far. But the Mandela effect as a as a narrative, as a movie, it's a ton of fun.

SPEAKER_03 40:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:28

Given me a lot of entertainment over the last couple of weeks as I researched it, read about it, watched the movie twice. But thanks for being here and thanks for getting me excited about that. And it was a ton of fun to look into it and to talk to you about it. And thank you to everyone for joining us for this episode. If you like what we're doing, share the show. Give us the five-star sparkling review on Apple Podcasts, and we will likely read it on an upcoming episode. And thanks for being part of our little family, and we hope you will tune in to another episode. Because whether you are sucking down a box of cheese nip, or just someone punching out the barren stained bears, it's important to remember that we all smell like humans. Bye everybody. Nothing. Nothing.