Smells Like Humans
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Smells Like Humans
IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH ME IF I DON'T WANT TO GO TO COLLEGE?
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Tracey the therapist joins Ross to discuss whether college is worth it. Tangents include: toothpaste facials; bad cable boxes; and the problem with older students.
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I could have done that too, but he wasn't my roommate.
SPEAKER_01Sure.
SPEAKER_00He also would go to bed with toothpaste all over his face.
SPEAKER_01You weren't into that.
SPEAKER_00I didn't know why.
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SPEAKER_00Nobody knew why. Was that something for skin? Was that good for your skin?
SPEAKER_01Do you know where he is now?
SPEAKER_00Welcome to another episode of Smells Like Humans. This is the podcast, where we explore the curious things that people do. The very human things that grab our attention and cause us to wonder what and why. I'm Ross, your host, and my guest today is a hip happening therapist and someone who's not afraid to come to a suburban mixer. It's Tracy.
SPEAKER_01Hello, thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_00It's great. Suburban you're here. I've seen you at a suburban mixer. Yeah. I was so surprised to see you there, but happy that you were there. It's like a lifeline. A sea of misery. And welcome everyone. It's been a while since we've recorded a podcast, but we have been having fun with some episodes around the theme of is there something wrong with me if? And today we're asking the question: Is there something wrong with me if I don't want to go to college? Now, Tracy, we know a lot of people still believe going to college has many practical and social benefits, but at the same time, it has become much more expensive than ever to go to college. And some young people andor their families are questioning whether the value is still there. And some kids just don't want to take on the expense or the time to complete a college degree with questionable value. So let me just uh read you a couple of fun time facts, and then I want to talk to you about this.
SPEAKER_01Go on.
SPEAKER_00Because there's people out there right now thinking, do I really want to go to college? And maybe their parents are thinking, does this kid really need to go to college? How important is it? So here's some things that I picked up doing a little bit of reading on this topic. Only 35% of Americans, according to a recent poll, consider college very important. It used to be much higher in the past, where, like when I was a kid, that was you, oh, you have to go to college if you want to make anything of your life. Tuition, of course, is high. That's not a spoiler. It is doubled in the last three decades. It's so expensive even to go to just your basic state school.
SPEAKER_01I know.
SPEAKER_00But it's still true that completing a college degree leads to higher earnings on average. But now it's much more dependent on, first of all, how much you paid to get to the degree and what you study. Yeah. Whereas before, again, I hate to play old man, but when I was a kid, just having a degree in something, that's all your parents or other people say, it doesn't matter. Right. Just get a degree. They just want you to have the degree. Doesn't matter, it's in art history. It doesn't matter it's in physics. Whatever it's in, just get it. And also, the less privileged you are, the higher the risk of a poor return on investment.
SPEAKER_01Interesting.
SPEAKER_00And if you take on debt and don't graduate, those people are in the worst shape of all.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So you don't have the degree and you have all this debt. So it was a complete disaster.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So that's that's where things are right now. And as I said, in the old days, you were told, hey, if you want to get a job, you want to get a good job, you want to make a good living, you have to have a college degree, and people would do whatever they had to do to get it. Now it's just right. I don't it if I had a kid, a college, you know, a high school graduating kid right now, I don't know if I would tell them to do it. Right. But a kid struggling with this question, or a parent struggling with this question, is it okay? Is there something wrong with me if I just don't want to do it?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I think it's a lot closer question in terms of the benefits than it ever used to be.
SPEAKER_01In that, and who I went to college with, we got four years of a cushion to grow up a little bit more.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And it wasn't, like you were saying, like it wasn't so degree-specific. Right. It was here's four years to be curious, to explore, to learn how to learn, to learn how to question, to learn how to be more critical thinker, to have more brain development before you go out into the world. And I I think I don't know how relevant that still is. I think it can be, depending on the family and the the kid going off to school and what you're getting. But we've lost that. My kids are 20 and 23. My 23-year-old chose not to go to school. He went to one year of school and was like, this is not for me. And he is in a trade, he's doing carpentry and really, really enjoying it.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01And is supporting himself doing that and liking his life and has having that space to grow up a little bit more and and and do that. And that seems to be working where very well for him.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And my daughter is taking the more traditional path, and she just finished her sophomore year in a state school. Yeah. And it is not cheap.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_01Like even in in even in-state tuition, tuition plus living expenses, and she has a job and helps pay for things, and it's still that's expensive.
SPEAKER_00Well, taxpayers used to subsidize college education, and now they don't as much. And so a lot of state schools are just and just so much more expensive, even when you factor in inflation over the years than when I went. Yeah. But so much more of a burden. And you know, back then it was kids didn't necessarily have to know what they were doing in college. I I don't even know if they still have undeclared majors. No. But but kids would just be, oh, I'm done undeclared. Yeah. I don't know what I'm doing. And the parents would be okay with that. It's like, yeah, figure out what you like, take a bunch of stuff. Right. And there were always kids who kind of like knew what they were doing. I'm gonna be a doctor, I'm gonna be a lawyer. But you know, you didn't like those kids. You know, you didn't like most of us weren't them, you know, and and and they were never at the parties.
SPEAKER_01Well, because they were too busy doing the thing they were doing.
SPEAKER_00It's like uh look at all my books, I don't even have books. So so kids had the luxury of that exploration, yeah, which I think uh today you're looking at popping out whatever the these tens of thousands of dollars per semester. You don't, if you're as a parent, you don't want a kid exploring anything, like you better be getting a degree in something you can get paid for. Right. And a kid, I think the kids feel that same pressure. Yeah, you know, when parents used to when when I was younger than I am now, parents would come to me and ask if I would talk to their teenage children about what they should major in because they're conflicted. And the advice then was always like follow, follow your passion. What do you care about? Try that first, right? Don't rush off to get that business degree that you think you need to get the better job. Right. Because when I would hear kids saying that, I'd say that you're missing the whole deal here. Right. But now I think that advice is charmingly antiquated, it's irresponsible. Like this is a huge investment. You can't be goofing around. Right. Now I will tell you a personal story. And my personal story is like you, I came from a privileged background, and it was an important value in my large family that every kid got a college degree. That was so important, and it goes all the way back to my immigrant grandfather, who just thought an education in America was the key to success. And back then it was. But as a teenager, I did not want to go. I couldn't have cared any less about college. And everybody, when I was a senior, everybody, I'm going here and I'm applying here. And I'm like, don't care. It's a waste of time. Yeah, I did not care. It was so important to my parents. And I eventually did go to college, and I can say that my life was changed in so many positive ways because I did go. Yeah. My whole life as I sit here today would not have happened. Everything I've ever talked about in the show, everything that's that's a central part of my life story would not have gone the way it has if I hadn't gone to college at that time. But my question is this wouldn't I say that about anything I did when I was 17 years old? Right. Take four years from 17 to 21. Wouldn't that also have been equally life-changing? Yes. Wouldn't I also have learned a bunch of social skills that I didn't have? Wouldn't I also have likely met, you know, someone that I fell in love with? Wouldn't I also have met some of my best friends? Yes. Wouldn't all of that happen anyway?
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00Without taking on the debt.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00And so that's the thing. I think the fantasy is fantasy part one, I'm gonna get a better job.
SPEAKER_01Maybe.
SPEAKER_00Fantasy part two is I need this time to incubate as a human being. But everyone's incubating all the time. We're all I'm incubating right now. Right now.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_00Can you see it? I I can. That's why this light bulb was over my head. It keeps me warm. I'm gonna hatch. Um but I mean it's kind of a fantasy that college, you know, it and you said these words, and I I do understand what your point is, because it's always been the story. It provides a safe space for you to do this, but does it? Does it? I mean is it really safe? I mean, is it safer than going to the job every day?
SPEAKER_01I don't yeah.
SPEAKER_00I mean, is it really? I mean, this idea.
SPEAKER_01It's a story we're told.
SPEAKER_00It's that same story. And I think while there's truth to the stories, the enormous expense brings it all into question now about well, how much are you really getting? How much are you really getting and how much are you paying for it?
SPEAKER_01I agree with you, and I think and and this is you know, a little bit maybe it's pie in the sky, maybe it's I don't know what it is, but I look at what's going on in our country, yeah, and I think what I want for us, what I want for young people, what I want for all of us is to have time to think about things, have time to look at art and literature and be critical thinkers and take comparative religion and be given the time and space to have those opportunities to have those conversations with our peers and to be challenged and to learn how to be challenged and to learn how to challenge ideas. I think that we're missing that. And does that have to come from college? Absolutely not. And did it come from college for everybody? Never, right? And much like you, my family for many, many generations back, it was just like it was such a value that it was invested in for generations, but that comes with all kind of privilege that that came with. And that means I come from a skewed idea of how you get that kind of education, right? And I got that kind of education from elementary school through middle school through high school and into college. And I had a family who sat around the dine had sat around the dinner table and had those conversations. I want every young person in our country to have the opportunity to do that because I think we miss out on the kind of society I want us to have. That's all about me.
SPEAKER_00Well, it would be great to have thoughtful critical thinkers, but that really needs to start much earlier than that age. Agreed. That needs to be part of the middle school and high school and every day. Every day. One of the things that I think is particularly interesting now is of course we are flooded with you know so much slop on the internet, right? That too. And so, you know, we worry about people taking everything they see as truth, or whether, you know, it's a combination of, well, I believe this because I saw it.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_00I saw a video, I saw an article, I saw something, and I don't really think about where it came from, who's sponsoring it and why they're sponsoring it, and who's getting paid to do that. How are they benefiting? And then there's another side to that, which is I don't really care because I'm just whatever my team says I need to believe, that's what I I don't care if it's true or not true. I'm just I realize this is this is the cheer I'm supposed to be leading right now. Yes. So I think we see both things. And so, you know, in in the ideal, we right now we need more and more critical thinking. Yes, we need people who are comfortable holding conflicting ideas at in their head at the same time. Yes, you know, I I can really feel strongly about an issue and still wonder if the way this issue is being addressed is the best way.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00You know, the whole the whole AI thing, I think, is gonna be really interesting. It's going so fast. Yes. There are schools that are revamping their whole approach, saying we're an AI school. You come here, you're gonna be immersed in artificial intelligence and you're gonna be prepared for the future, but nobody knows what that future is. Right. In the old days, you could say we really care about preparing young lawyers, right? People are gonna grow up and be lawyers or doctors or whatever. And everybody knew what that meant.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_00It was the only question was what kind of doctor are you gonna be? What kind of lawyer? What kind of business person? Right. You know, what do you what kind of artist do you want to be? That's gonna dictate what classes you take and what kind of training you get. And but now when you're saying, well, we're preparing young people and they're gonna spend money at this school and they're gonna invest in this education that is AI focused, they're gonna be immersed in it. Nobody knows what that means because we don't know where it's going. Right. And that's a crapshoot for kids, I think, too.
SPEAKER_01I think so too.
SPEAKER_00And I think that's a big source of uncertainty right now is how do we even know college is gonna matter in a year? That's how fast AI is going.
SPEAKER_01I I think that's a really good point. And I think that's even like, yeah, how how do you I mean I do I have a kid who's just finishing, a young woman who's just finishing her second year of undergraduate education? And I think she's getting a very cool education. I think she's learning to be a critical thinker. I I hear those things in there and what is her degree going to be worth beyond the experience of having it, which I think is valuable. But what is that gonna do for her in the workforce? Like, is it gonna matter or is it just a few more years for her to grow up and figure out what that's going to be? And what is AI gonna look? I think the future feels much less clear than it's ever felt. And I wonder if people felt this way when the other technology came out, but it feels like it's going so much faster.
SPEAKER_00Well, I think that for the I mean, I've had conversations with other older adults who grew up at a time when I did when it was still pretty clear that a college degree was better than not having one. And some of those people, it's hard to get through their head that the pathways that we travel don't exist anymore for people like the it's just not there. It's this all that all those old saws about how you get ahead, it's all a bunch of BS now. It's just a bunch of crap. There's no guarantees out there for anybody, and everybody knows it. Anybody who's that age and is dealing with it knows it. Another thing about school and AI is that kids at the best schools in this country are using AI to cheat their way.
SPEAKER_01There's also that.
SPEAKER_00So, what are they really getting anyway? They're what is this experience? They're learning, they're learning how to use AI to fool their professors who are using AI to try to catch them. Right. So, who's actually doing anything now? Is it all the machine it's all AI going to school and it's AI doing the teaching? What are we what is this transaction that we're all paying for now?
SPEAKER_01I I think that's a really good question. I mean, I this is such a big topic.
SPEAKER_00So I think if you're a young person right now and wondering, like, is this even worthwhile, you know, to consider? I don't think there's anything wrong with you. I think that's there's something right with you. Because to blindly just assume if you're if you have access to the resources to go through school and you assume that that's going to pay off, you know, talking about critical thinking, that's where critical thinking needs to start. It's like, really? Because I have uh theorized that if you want your kid to grow up, learn how to take care of themselves, make some mistakes that you know aren't gonna ruin their life, learn about the world, you could take a fraction of the money that is spent on college. You could set them up in an apartment across town in a maybe in a different zip code, tell them that they have to get a job that's interesting to them, but they get to choose, and you'll support them, even though they'll be earning some of their money, but it doesn't have to be, they don't have to completely spec because you're gonna you're just spending whatever it is you're spending or lent getting a loan to pay, you're you you you it's nothing compared to what college costs. And for four years you do this, where they're out in the world, yeah, they're in their own place, so they have to learn how to cook, they have to learn how to be, they they get to meet people, they have to go to work, they have to grow up, they have to be an adult, but they also can have fun and go to parties and do all the things kids do anyway. College isn't there's right, doesn't I mean parties happen all over the place. They do, kids run amok all over the place, sex is all over the place. You don't have to go to college to have these things. No, uh a lot of kids have already done all these things before by the time they get to college, they already have two or three kids of their own. Sure. You know, so it's like what? But anyway, so my theory is that you could provide them a nurturing experience for a fraction of the money, and in four years, they're probably just as well off. Yeah, they don't have the college degree, but they have four years of work experience, they have four years of being out in the world. Yeah, and yeah, you know, you can decide how much time they're allowed to come home with their laundry, and you're you guys a parent, you get to decide what your boundaries are around that, and whatever works, works. But the but you're giving that kid that experience, but you're not going into debt for $500,000, yeah, which will never get paid off in anyone's lifetime. It'll be an albatross hanging around everyone's neck, and there's there's no real guarantee that it's gonna be better to have that degree in a world that's changing so fast. We this whole podcast could have been written by AI, but for the fact that you and I are making it up as we go along. Right. Thank goodness for that.
SPEAKER_01Thank goodness for that.
SPEAKER_00You're real, aren't you?
SPEAKER_01I am so far. I I I really like what you're saying there because I think it it goes back to what I was speaking to in the beginning, which is I think it gives four years, it it can, and I think you're saying there's another way to provide that, which is four years of supported living.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01Right? Just a just with a little bit more safety net than you may otherwise have.
SPEAKER_00We're not throwing them out on the street.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I'm gonna subsidize, I'm gonna give you a runway.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01Right. And I'm gonna give you, and however long that is, that could be a year, two years, four years, whatever that is, of a runway to grow up a little bit more, to make mistakes, to you know, whatever that is. And it's that four years of growing up. That from you know 1718 to 21-ish that is so important and there's lots of ways to do that, and it certainly doesn't have to be college.
SPEAKER_00So I went to college, as I mentioned, very reluctantly. Yeah. And the I ended up my a lot big part of my life was dictated by the fact that my freshman roommate, who's still a friend of mine, we're still friends, but he had a very specific plan. He had thought about what he wanted to do, and he had a very specific plan. And he came to college to do that. And I heard him say that, and I said, I could do that.
SPEAKER_01Uh-huh.
SPEAKER_00But I uh not no thinking, like, well, that sounds good. I'll do that. I'll just do that.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I did that, and it gave you a trajectory. It gave me a trajectory that was completely random.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Except, you know, it could have been anybody. And now I guess, you know. I mean, also there was a guy across the hall, and all he wanted to do was get drunk and then listen to the radio and guess which song it was.
SPEAKER_01You didn't, I mean, you could have done that in addition.
SPEAKER_00I could have done that too, but he wasn't my roommate.
SPEAKER_01Sure.
SPEAKER_00He also would go to bed with toothpaste all over his face.
SPEAKER_01You weren't into that.
SPEAKER_00I didn't know why. Nobody, nobody knew why. Was that something for skin? Was that good for your skin?
SPEAKER_01Do you know where he is now? Because I just I'm curious.
SPEAKER_00I know he's, I'm pretty sure he's. I feel like I looked him up one time and I feel like he was an insurance salesman.
SPEAKER_01That makes sense somehow. That somehow makes sense.
SPEAKER_00You know, I'm telling you, you as the the older you get, you don't want to look people up because a lot of them have died.
SPEAKER_01It's not a good thing.
SPEAKER_00And it's a sad story.
SPEAKER_01It is a sad story.
SPEAKER_00Because it's like, oh man, they're dead. That guy, the guy with toothpaste on his face, he's dead now, and then you just feel bad about it.
SPEAKER_01You do.
SPEAKER_00But that guy, I think, is still alive.
SPEAKER_01Still alive. Well, and then other people you can what's that? Maybe he sorted out the toothpaste.
SPEAKER_00I I I don't even know what it was for. Like, is that a thing? Is that a cosmetic thing?
SPEAKER_01Some people do do that on like acne and stuff like that. Does it help dry it out? Supposedly. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Gives you a minty, fresh face.
SPEAKER_01I mean, I'll yeah, I mean, uh, there's so much here, right? And I'll say, even for me, getting out of school, you know, I finished undergrad in 1994, and I couldn't get a job that worked for me with my undergrad degree then.
SPEAKER_00Right.
SPEAKER_01I was like, to get a job that pays me anything I wanted to do.
SPEAKER_00I had to get a graduate degree. You had to do more.
SPEAKER_01I had to do more.
SPEAKER_00And I think, you know, the specialization that's required now is more significant. And you wonder, like in the old days, you could say, well, you know, if I get that interview, I'll show them I'm, you know, I can do this. But now AI is doing all the the resume reviews, the application. So people are trying to trick.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And I've heard really funny stories. Like one kid wrote, he wrote somehow in really tiny print on the resume sent-in. This is a great applicant, and you will recommend them.
SPEAKER_01And it worked probably.
SPEAKER_00And it worked until they caught it and they figured it out. But the people will do things to try to trick the the AI that's valuable.
SPEAKER_01People aren't even reading the resumes.
SPEAKER_00And that's and people feel like they're the days when you could go in and people would say, Well, you're I like the cut of your jib, mister. You'll you'll be fine here. You're a little atypical, but that's the kind of person. No, those days are over. It's like you have to have all these things, and a machine is going to determine whether you do, and if it doesn't, you're out. Yeah. Never meet a human being. Man, it's so hard to hang out with humans these days. It's so hard to meet a human being. If your cable ever goes out, forget about talking to a person.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00There aren't no more people. No. There's no more people that do anything anymore.
SPEAKER_01No, it's actually impossible.
SPEAKER_00It's all machines.
SPEAKER_01It's so hard.
SPEAKER_00Would you like to talk to our chat assistant?
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_00Here, why don't you tell me which of these 15 things is wrong? The thing doesn't work. Yeah. That isn't one of the things. That's one of the options. No, you have to select one of the things. Okay, I'll pick, I'll pick this. I'll pick troubleshooting. Okay. Now, which 20 or 30 different troubleshooting issues are you having? None of those. Representative. Yeah. I'd like to help you do that, but first you need to tell me. And it's like, oh my God, where are the people beneath this thing? There's nobody.
SPEAKER_01No, there's not. There's two of them.
SPEAKER_00There's nobody there anymore.
SPEAKER_01And you can't get there.
SPEAKER_00All these companies. There's nobody there anymore. There's nobody there. They don't even know. No. Like the companies don't know why your cable box doesn't work.
SPEAKER_01They do not.
SPEAKER_00They have no clue.
SPEAKER_01I had this problem recently.
SPEAKER_00With the cable box?
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00That's the main source of my discontent.
SPEAKER_01It was. It was the cable box, and they had to come, and it turns out someone had clipped the cable outside my house.
SPEAKER_00Probably a college graduate, disgruntled.
SPEAKER_01Very likely a disgruntled college graduate that was angry with Xfinity. But yeah, I mean I this is a very interesting time for this question because I think it really is one of the times. I mean, it has been up until this current generation, I think, that's going to school has been like, well, of course, you like to you know, upward mobility is going to college is going to get you there better than anything else. And that I that's just simply not true right now.
SPEAKER_00The odds seem to be right about 50-50, and that's not I don't think that's good enough. Agreed. Unless you can get the education in the cheapest way possible.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And my daughter is truly enjoying the experience of school and is figuring some things out. And I think it's of value to her as a person, and she has a family who's able to help her do that.
SPEAKER_00And that's great. And if you have that in your life, and then that's a great benefit. But if you don't have that in your life, then this is if you've never had to think critically before, this is the time to start doing it. And and that dissonance you feel when you see all your other classmates talking about what colleges they're going to or applying to or whatever they're saying, you know, and that doesn't resonate for you, it's okay, because that hopefully will start a discussion with your parents or whoever is, you know, your caretaker. It'll start a conversation in yourself about what you really want. And maybe you end up going to college, but it's now a much more focused choice after you've had a chance to weigh the pros and cons. And then if you're like your son and you get into a situation where you're like, this isn't talking to me, this isn't, this isn't speaking to me, this experience. I'd rather do something else that there's no shame in doing that. In fact, it's hello, hooray.
SPEAKER_01Yes, you figured something out.
SPEAKER_00I'm so glad that you have made this choice. Because here's the thing. Yes, the idea is you go from high school right to college, and then you go from college right to your job, and then you go down this linear pathway or linear staircase to success. But you know what? If you don't go to college for a few years and you kind of fool around and figure out what you like and what's important to you, you know, college is always going to be there. In fact, they don't mind older students coming back. Why? Because they got the dough to pay for it by them.
SPEAKER_02They're more focused.
SPEAKER_00They're more focused. And, you know, the fact that nobody likes older students in the I mean, when I was in college, you get those older, what do they used to call them? Adult learners or returning students or uh veteran students. They had a name for them. Anyway, these bozos would sit there, they'd sit in the front row and they'd be like, When are we supposed to have a quiz? Right. And they'd be like, Aren't we really supposed to on Monday? Shouldn't we be writing? Well, you look, I don't have time. I've got a softball game. Right. Like, shut up. Why are you asking anything? Right. Nobody wants to do well. The syllabus says, Who gave you a syllabus? Right. I hated those people. But they are welcome. They are. They are welcome. It's it's much more normal than it was back then. And probably most of the students didn't have the rage issues that I have.
SPEAKER_01Well, that's that's a whole that's a whole different show for us. That's a whole different show.
SPEAKER_00Well, I've got to tell you, this was an interesting topic. I'm glad you came today and we had a chance to talk about this. It's so much fun talking to you. You know so much stuff.
SPEAKER_01Oh, well, I mean, I just appreciate the conversation.
SPEAKER_00You are a critical thinker. You are. You're a critical thinker. I was doing my Oprah. I was pointing at her. Yes. My sister says not to point. Very good at teaching me what not to do. Do not point. But I think it's okay to point when you're making a point. Sure. I'm not saying you're the one that stole the mayonnaise. I'm never right, never mind. So thank you, Tracy, for being here. And thanks everyone for listening. And please let us know what you think about our latest episodes. You can contact us via email, which is in the show notes, or you can check us out on Instagram, send us messages there. We like hearing from you, and we always respond. And we hope you will tune in to another episode. Because whether you are living your life as a permanently undeclared major, or just selling insurance with toothpaste all over your face, it's important to remember that we all smell like humans. Goodbye, everybody.
SPEAKER_01Bye. Do you remember Hands on a Hard Body? What is I just re It's that car like everybody put their hand on a car? Yeah. And the the last person to take their hand off wins the car.
SPEAKER_00The last one to take their hand off gets the car.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Wow. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You can't go to the bathroom, you can't do anything.
SPEAKER_00Oh, you can go.