Smells Like Humans
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Smells Like Humans
IN SEARCH OF THE "CRINGE-FREE" WEDDING CEREMONY
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Special guests and engaged partners, Jenny and Nate, join Ross to discuss "cringey" elements of some wedding ceremonies. Tangents include: Exploding birds; proposals; plus-ones; evil spirits; 'BRIDE SQUAD'; hook worms; Scottish castles; omens; and sexless swinger parties. The trio inadvertently creates a new drinking game in which the listener should take a drink every time someone says "Owen".
Notes:
- https://www.theknot.com/content/wedding-garter-tradition
- https://styleblueprint.com/everyday/wedding-traditions/
- https://www.minted.com/wedding-ideas/wedding-traditions
- http://www.electracruises.com/blog/advice/wedding-rituals-really-mean
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There's like a text, one of those old textured ceilings that people used to have. And I'm actually literally clawing and the stuff's raining all down and making all this noise. And she comes in and wakes me up. I'm standing there in my underwear, and she like flips on the light and she sees her brother. Like, and I wake up and I'm like, oh yeah, hey. So now I get down to go back to the bed with the lights on, and I'm awake, and I can barely get there so much stuff, and it's like you can't. I have no idea how my subconscious brain did this in the dark. But the point is, whoa, that doesn't that sound like an omen?
SPEAKER_01Ross, that right there is an omen.
SPEAKER_06Really? Welcome to another episode of Smells Like Humans. This is the podcast where we explore the curious things that people do, the very human things that grab our attention and cause us to wonder, what and why? I'm Ross, your host, and today our fabulous, special human guests are my good friends, Jenny. Hi Jenny. Hello and Nate. Hi Nate. Hey, how's it going, Ross? Good, and welcome to the show. Also, welcome to all of you listening, and thank you so much for listening to our show and sharing it if you like it and following us on social media. You can also support us on Patreon if you're able. We love that you are here, and all of the help you can provide in growing our little community is appreciated. Let's start. Okay, so we know that humans still love getting married. Am I right or am I right? You are right. And they love celebrating the event with friends and family in some form of ritualized ceremony. Over the years, centuries, millennia, rituals have been established for different reasons. New ones have been invented, and we see these in many weddings today. So, what I want to talk about is some of these rituals, especially the ones that make me cringe and determine if maybe they are really cringe worthy, or I just maybe need to get over my cringy self. Now, you both just so happen to be planning a marriage. Is it still on?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yes, yes. Congratulations. Are you excited? Very excited, yes. The word I wrote down here in my notes is Are you excited about your upcoming nuptials? And nuptials is a word that makes me cringe.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I can see that.
SPEAKER_06It's a little cringy. Nuptuals. It's like, uh bend over. We're gonna have to check your nuptials, Mr. Ferguson. I believe I had my nuptials removed when I was twelve. Yes. Yes. It sounds so much more like that thing than a good thing. Uh by the way, I just want to put it out there. I think I would marry either one of you. Uh so I'm just putting that out there as an oblique plan B.
SPEAKER_02Well, let's see how this goes.
SPEAKER_06Um was, by the way, was there a proposal of some kind? Or how did how did this uh plan get formulated, so to speak?
SPEAKER_01I always consider we had two proposals. Um we had the actual, like, will you marry me? Um, but that came after the first one, I like to think. Um the first one happened, we were uh just lying in bed and it had just been announced that the vaccine was going to be coming out.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And uh I was just like, when the vaccine comes out, we'll get vaccinated, and then we'll um we'll start traveling, and then we'll do this, and we'll do that, and then after that we'll buy a house, and then we'll, you know, like things we'd talked about. Right. Like the world was gonna suddenly be open again. Right. And uh he turned to me and he just really casually goes, in between those things, when do you wanna get married? Oh And that was like the like what did that feel in that moment? It it stunned me. Like I I got really quiet.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, she was she was a bit floored by it. You got quiet.
SPEAKER_01I did. You can tell that I'm shocked when I stopped talking.
SPEAKER_06And w had you was this an inspiration in the moment, or had you planned to kind of drop this into that conversation?
SPEAKER_04Aaron Ross Powell Well it was in the spirit of talking about future plans. Right. You know, and and marriage was something that, you know, after being together for you know two and a half three years, three years, we hadn't really talked about. We we had made future plans, and then we talked about moving in together, and then we moved in together. And as we're talking and and making these plans, I wanted to gauge where she was at. You know, did you instead of just asking, do you want to get married, I asked at what point during all these things do you want to get married?
SPEAKER_01I guess that's a little bit of a sure thing.
SPEAKER_04When you're making plans when you're making plans to potentially buy a house or travel the world, you you want you want to see if there's anything else you want to throw in there?
SPEAKER_06Trevor Burrus I think it's kind of clever, actually. It's a clever technique because you're like, we're gonna travel and we're gonna get a goat and we're gonna have a farm, and he's like, yeah, and then we'll get married and we'll get a tractor, and you're like, oh, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, wait, did you just did you just say the M-word?
SPEAKER_01Oh, I don't know. Wasn't it on the list? I went to work and um I was just like to my boss, I was just like, if I'm a little off right now, it's because I think I just kind of got proposed.
SPEAKER_04Kind of. It was it was very kind of. It wasn't a will you marry me. It was a when do you want to do this? Yeah. Which is a little cart before the horse in a way. But then but then I waited until our our anniversary of when we first started dating.
SPEAKER_01Our three-year anniversary, and I think we talked about it by then, like because that was there was a month in between about and uh it was just like you know, let's talk about it.
SPEAKER_04Let's let me get your ring size.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah, yeah. All of that stuff. So I knew it was coming up and I assumed it would be coming up on our anniversary.
SPEAKER_06Aaron Powell I I like it. I mean, my first proposal to my first wife, and I've had more than one. Ah yes. Got some practice. Uh how many have you had? Let's say two. Let's say two. Okay, yeah. It's an even number, and it sounds reasonable. Um three sounds horrible.
SPEAKER_03Oh.
SPEAKER_06Well, don't say that. Don't say that. And four and five, you gotta be a movie star. Forget about it. Well, it's good to have goals. I I uh so I was uh still in college, and my wife to be was mad at me because we we hadn't at this point there was no proposal, there was no talk about marriage.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_06She was mad at me because uh I used to party a bit. She was not a party person, and she one weekend night she said, Well, what are you doing? I'm well, I'm gonna be doing a party thing. And she said, Okay, well, when will you stop by? And I gave her a time that I thought maybe in, you know, it at four o'clock in the afternoon, I gave her a time that seemed reasonable. Like, but certainly by 1 a.m. I'm gonna be done. A sober time. When you're sober and you're you're gauging time, it's different. Yes, yeah. So then by one, of course, it's like, no, the party's just going, maybe 1.15, 2, 3. So she comes down to the party mad because I am still doing the do. And she comes up to me with a mad face, and before she can say anything, I say, Wanna get married? Are you serious? That was my purpose.
SPEAKER_01Had you were you expecting to propose, or were you just like, I just don't want to get yelled at when I'm having such a great time?
SPEAKER_06Yes and yes. Okay. Great deflection. Uh yeah, it was like, uh, how about this? And it did stop her. It was like you was like, well, that changes everything. She was still kind of mad, but she didn't know why anymore. So it worked. By the way, we did get married. So before we go farther, and the things that get me cringy, we were all together the other day, and uh, Jenny, you raised this idea of the sexless swinger party. And I just want I think it's an interesting idea. What is can you describe the uh what this is, the sexless swinger party?
SPEAKER_01I I think we agreed that it was just a party where and instead of uh swapping spouses and partners for sex, uh you swapped them for chores.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, they come over like they come over and like do your dishes like a like another person comes to your house and you know takes the kid to school or something. Fixes that squeaky hinge. Yeah, yeah, or whatever. I don't know, but I like the idea of it. It seems like an uncomplicated way to spice things up.
SPEAKER_04Aaron Powell I feel like it would foster community in a certain way.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah, there you go.
SPEAKER_04Trevor Burrus, Jr. You know, if if say I'm I'm handy with plumbing, but my neighbor Joe isn't, his wife calls me up and I go over and fix some plumbing, which isn't a euphemism, but it's you know, when we're talking about sexless swinger parties. I think they're just parties where people are it really is the plumbing.
SPEAKER_06Plumbing is the plumbing. It is literally the plumbing. Aaron Powell, I like Nate Spin, though. Nate Spin, sexless swinger parties fostering community. Always fostering community. Trevor Burrus, Jr. All right. So let's talk about weddings and the weird stuff that happens. The formal wedding ceremony has some unsavory historical aspects. Oh yeah. Uh and these uh historical underpinnings influence some of the things we do, and but I don't think we really think about them anymore, like where they came from. So I'm just gonna mention these these are just sort of the background for the things I'm gonna point out. But there's three particular unsavory things about the some of the wedding rituals that exist today. One is the uh historically getting your daughter married was considered a transfer of liability.
SPEAKER_04Yes.
SPEAKER_06So an unmarried daughter was a liability to a family because there were weren't that many options, of course, for women, adult women, and parents, uh, especially fathers, wanted to get rid of them. And if you were an unmarried daughter past a certain age, 14, I don't know, uh, you were considered a liability, which intersects with this second idea, which is women are property and they're not fully in control of who they marry or when. So you have arranged marriages and you have, you know, a lot of pressure for a woman to a young woman to get married and get on and be somebody else's problem. And then the third thing is uh this concept that women are being when they get a marriage proposal, they've been saved from a pointless life of spinsterism, which I don't think is a word, but I like it. And um they were considered lucky. They got a wedding proposal and got married. They were lucky. And uh and if you didn't get a proposal, there was something the matter with you. Right. And it was a problem for everyone, and you were a source of scorn. And there was a musical, famous musical called Fiddler on the Roof, which was kind of all about whether women should have control over who they marry. And I think three of the older daughters actually chose their own path in the end. They chose against tradition. It's a really long musical just to find that out. Yes, yeah. But there is a dance where people balance bottles on their head. So, uh let me just chat you up about the ones that really cringe me out. Number one, dad giving away the bride.
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah, that whole uh who gives this person away.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04You know, and just the the thought like that the person had to be given away, not sold, not not agreed upon. Who who who is who was saying that this is okay is one thing, but but who gives this person away? Right. It's yeah, I'm with you. It's it's cringeworthy.
SPEAKER_06And um and the idea that the dad walks the bride down the aisle and gives the bride to another man. Yeah. Now you are in control of this milk cow. Right.
SPEAKER_01Well, not only that, but like the part of it was he had to walk her down because she wouldn't he was afraid she'd bolt. Like Right. Like you gotta make sure I get you down to the deed is done.
SPEAKER_04I'm gonna cover you in a veil.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_04We're just gonna put this long dress over top of it.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so he can't see her.
SPEAKER_06Well, there is a tradition a tradition is the wrong word, but in ancient times, the way men would get brides is they would steal them. Yeah. And so the idea of one man marching up this piece of stolen property to another man, and the idea that there may be a fight was actually part of the thing.
SPEAKER_01They say that's why we have bridesmaids. That's it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Well, there's two reasons. One it one, I did read that, what you're saying, but I also read there's a whole nother like r uh um history of of uh people believing in evil spirits trying to um destroy this beautiful moment. And so the bridesmaids would dress alike so that would confuse the evil spirits who the bride was, which I still think it's gonna be bad for one of them, depending on which one they pick.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I know. Who was I I was thinking that myself, like who would you you wouldn't want to ask your friends. Yeah. You'd want to ask all of your enemies.
SPEAKER_06Enemies, but yeah, well, you wear this, and maybe that's where the ugly dresses came in for the bridesmaids. So my daughter got married a few years ago, and I hadn't thought about this dad property thing, giving the property. I hadn't thought about it at all. And she said, We're doing things a little differently. And I said, That's fine. You know, whatever you want to do. She goes, You're not gonna be walking me down the aisle. And I felt bad. My initial feeling was, oh, that sucks.
SPEAKER_01Why did you feel bad? Was it because you were expecting that or because you felt you weren't wanted?
SPEAKER_06I felt like I wasn't wanted.
SPEAKER_01Okay.
SPEAKER_06And it had nothing to do with me feeling like I owned her or anything. It was just like, oh, I'm that's and I and then I, you know, I asked her after I brooded for a few weeks. I said, Hey, what's with this not letting me? I kind of I think that's really cool. And she says, well, and then she told me the history of it being sort of a property transfer, and immediately it just cured my brooding. I was like, oh yeah, I don't want to be part of that. That's gross. And I never had thought of it that way. I just thought of it as I'm the dad and you're my daughter, and it's lovely, and I love you, and I just want, and it was like, no, no. So as soon as I understood that, it was like, no, I don't want to do this. But people are still doing this. Like today, I'm sure someone's getting married and some dad is walking their daughter down the aisle. So you're not having uh uh in your ceremony, you're not going to have a dad figure walk you down the aisle.
SPEAKER_01No, we were actually talking about this, and this is one of those things that I want to try on our wedding rehearsal. I want us to walk towards each other and meet in the middle.
SPEAKER_06Okay.
SPEAKER_01Like I don't want him standing with his back-like on a beach where you run toward each other having slow motion. Could you do that?
SPEAKER_04The entire wedding will be in slow motion. Oh, this is beautiful. Turn 10-minute ceremony into three-hour event.
SPEAKER_01But now that COVID, all of the traditions, all of that stuff is kind of out the door. So you can do whatever the hell you want. And I'm gonna take advantage of that.
SPEAKER_06What is the connection in your mind between the co COVID and wedding traditions?
SPEAKER_01I think a lot of the the normal things, you have to get rid of them. You can't have a giant wedding party anymore. You can't have people traveling as far as you can. People um it's made the micro wedding okay. It used to be like, oh, you're just having six people. Oh you know, like you don't have any friends. Uh but now all of that is okay. And then if you're only having 25 people at your wedding, then there are 25 very select chosen people that you want there that don't they're just there to celebrate you. So they're not like, wait a second, I wanted that garter toss, which don't even get me started. I can't believe that. That is the next thing.
SPEAKER_06Let's go to it right now. The garter removal and toss. Now let me just tell you that there is a connection between the garter removal, the wedding bouquet, the idea of good luck, and ancient practice. And the idea was that again, if you go back to one of the precursors that I laid out, if a woman got married, it was good luck. And so in the old days, hundreds of years ago, when the bride got married, then people would try to rip her dress to shreds so they could have a piece of good luck. It was considered very important. So the whole bouquet, and then, you know, by association, the garter was a way to say, okay, you don't have to tear the bride's beautiful dress apart. We'll throw you some good luck in the form of a bouquet and then later a garter. Okay, because it was like a piece of their accoutrement. And it was supposed to bring good luck. But what's happened at some of the weddings I've gone to has turned into some weird, cheesy, almost like sex thing. Yeah. Like almost like weird wedding porn grossness. But in any case, really cringes me out. How about you?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I I think I personally didn't do it for either one of my previous weddings.
SPEAKER_06You're a double wedding person?
SPEAKER_04I am a double wedding person.
SPEAKER_01So I really took such offense by a third.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, and I said it's horrible when it's and that's why you said no, it's not so bad.
SPEAKER_01I've never been married before, so I think that cancel that cancels out.
SPEAKER_06Oh, yeah, because you average.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Right. Right. Yeah. Our our wedding average between the two of us is pretty normal. Yeah, it's one and it'll be one and a half.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_06So that's pretty good. So uh so you didn't do that for either wedding one or wedding two. No. Was there a difference between wedding one and wedding two? Was one more elaborate and formal and the other one more relaxed, or were they both the same? Uh they were both elaborate.
SPEAKER_04The first one I was I was younger because I grew up religious, uh, you know, waiting until you get married uh to have sex kind of thing. I was 22 and it was a wedding of 250 people. Wow. It was a it was a large event, a big to-do. Uh but then the second one was a smaller event, a destination wedding. We got married in Scotland uh with just two of our friends there as witnesses. Wow. Uh it was still pretty elaborate because we did it in a castle. Holy mackerel. You're like a movie star. I am. I mean, hopefully I stop marriages at three, so I'm not like a movie star. No, hopefully.
SPEAKER_01Not that not the word hopefully.
SPEAKER_06We'll edit that out. Yeah, we'll edit it out, but we won't forget it. So so both pretty elaborate. A castle, 250 people in the first one. Somebody was spending a lot of money on this stuff. Yes, somebody was. Okay.
SPEAKER_04Somebody was. That's uh weddings can be extremely expensive. Aaron Ross Powell They can be crazy expensive.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. They say that those weddings don't last. You think they say that uh the more money you spend on a wedding, the less likely you are to remain together.
SPEAKER_06Aaron Powell So I didn't hear this before. This is fascinating. So there's an inverse correlation between the amount of money that's spent on the wedding and the number of years you get.
SPEAKER_01They say that like people who spend $1,000 or less on their wedding have an 18% chance higher than people who spend even like the upon the thousands of dollars.
SPEAKER_06So if you give everybody Twinkies and Kool-Aid.
SPEAKER_01If it's like beers in the backyard.
SPEAKER_06Beers in the backyard, you have an eighteen percent better success rate than people who are spending nights in castles and spending thousands and thousands. I did not know this. Why do you think that is? Superstition.
SPEAKER_04You know, it seems like a lot of the things that we're talking about as far as traditions and weddings that make us cringe, it all has to do with luck or has to do with the you know not seeing certain things. So I think the the less stock you put into superstition, you know, and the less importance you put on that, and the more importance you put on the actual ceremony with the other person. The union and and where that matters, then I I guess that the marriage has a better chance of surviving because you're you're putting the other person that that's the marriage. The union is the most important part.
SPEAKER_06I think uh let me just build on that. What about the people that are spending tons of money, they know at the bottom there's something to hide.
SPEAKER_01They're trying to prove something.
SPEAKER_06They're they're they're they're they're they there's something wrong with this, and we've got to make it super big and amazing because we don't actually feel that way.
SPEAKER_01Aaron Ross Powell Well, I think even if you do feel that way, if you are putting on a show you know, because you're there's just gotta be a certain point where you're not doing it for yourself anymore. You're doing it for the guest. I want to make sure every guest is a lead here on a horse and carriage. Uh I want to make sure every guest walks away with a you know $7,000, you know, crystal vase that has our names and our wedding date inscribed. I think. Am I gonna get that? Am I thinking $7,000? We're leading towards a much less expensive.
SPEAKER_06But I think I'd be happy with the $3,000 vase.
SPEAKER_01I think that there's if there's a point when you're doing it for other people, and if you're doing anything for other people, it's not going to be successful. And then I think also if you're starting, unless you have someone paying for that, if you're starting out with that much debt, you're just gonna it's you're already setting yourself up for failure in a lot of ways. If you're you know, you spend the next 25 years paying off your $300,000 wedding.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that and your student loans. Yeah. You'll never get any in the you'll never get to the castle. Never. You guys are very smart about all this stuff. I think that's right. I think that's right. I never thought about that. That the more you spend. My first wedding was pretty simple. It was a backyard wedding. It was at the time, this will sound really silly in a modern in the modern moment, but at the time, my marriage was considered a mixed marriage because I was raised as a Catholic, and my wife was Jewish. And there was a lot of concern about this. Now, this you have to imagine a time. Do you remember something called MTV where they would play music videos? Yeah, yes. I was I was alive back then.
SPEAKER_01We have heard of them TV.
SPEAKER_06So imagine a time where that was new. We're like, wow, videos and music together? What's happening? That's when I got married at about that time. So it was a long time ago. And um, yeah, our parents, both sides' parents, are very concerned about this mixed, you know, marriage and how's it gonna work? I mean, there were conversations like what are we gonna do with the kids? How are you gonna raise them and what's gonna happen? Um, and um, there was some discouraging stuff that happened, but we kind of went through it and to make everybody happy, we decided to get a priest and a rabbi to do the ceremony. Well, that wasn't easy to find.
SPEAKER_01And it was the beginning of a joke.
SPEAKER_06We had to yes. We were in LA, so we eventually found like a cool happening priest and a cool happening rabbi, and they we did a joint ceremony where there are elements of everything, and that meant one thing, and that everybody was pissed off. So it was funny because it's a backyard wedding, so we're facing like these two glass doors, and there's you know the whole thing, the little canopy, and the priest and the rabbi, but you can see your guests in the reflection, and everybody looked mad. But the worst thing, and and this is a bit of a tangent, but the worst thing was so I have a big family, but one person couldn't be there for whatever reason. They were out of the country or whatever. So in my mind, not everyone was there. So I gave different siblings different things to do, like you'll escort the grandmothers and you'll do this, and you'll bring in this and that kind of thing. You'll be the best man, and you'll but the whole time I'm thinking, well, not everyone's here, so it's not like everybody has a job. I'm just giving out a few. Turns out I gave out, gave everyone a job except my oldest sister.
SPEAKER_03Oh.
SPEAKER_06So she's horribly feels horrible about this. I have no idea. We get married, we break the glass, we do the whole thing, we go into the house to sign the papers, you know, with the with the officiants, and we're just married, we're newly married, we're 20, whatever years old. We're just it's so exciting. It's got that new marriage smell. It's so smelly new. It's the newest smell you have ever smelled. It's like a new car smell. Uh, that's how we smelled. And we go in there and we're just bubbling with we're all you so we're almost stunned. We're almost gobsmacked with what we just did. Right. My sister comes in crying her head off.
SPEAKER_03No.
SPEAKER_06Because we forgot to give her a job. So in that moment, it's like it's like if you could do car skidding noises, like, okay. And now I'm trying to comfort her and tell her I'm sorry, and I didn't think it. Oh, I guess everybody did have a job. I was an accident, I'm sorry. So that was uh that was not the only sort of bad omen. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, I don't say it as a bad omen.
SPEAKER_06Well, there was another omen.
SPEAKER_04There's always omens. If you're looking for them, there's always omens.
SPEAKER_01A crow cod three times. Yes.
SPEAKER_04Or they say it's good luck if it rains the day of your wedding, so there's an omen.
SPEAKER_06It did not rain. That is, but rain, and that's where, by the way, my research says that the reason people threw rice at weddings is to simulate rain, because rain was considered good luck. And so that's why they threw rice. And then people started a rumor that the rice was killing birds. Yes.
SPEAKER_01It was definitely like rain when all the birds exploded.
SPEAKER_06It turns out that is not true. The birds do not get killed by rice and they do not explode. Aaron Powell, Jr.
SPEAKER_01Man, I've been feeding my bird rice.
SPEAKER_06Make it rain. If you see birds exploding, it's not because of wedding rice.
SPEAKER_02Oh. Oh man. Now you tell me.
SPEAKER_04We have to change a lot about our wedding now. There's so much about our ceremony we we have to change up now because of the whole bird information.
SPEAKER_06So we plan to go to Hawaii for our honeymoon. That's cool, right?
SPEAKER_01Wait, oh wait, we'll be fast before you go to the is this part of the omen? I want to hear that how the witch came in and was just like a curse upon this. And then she was like, oh wait, Diane, Charles, no, it's wrong wedding.
SPEAKER_06Then walked away. You're gonna be disappointed. So we plan to go to Hawaii. Neither one of us had traveled much at that point. And we have giant suitcases. I don't know why. We go to check in at the air. There's a really long line to check in. Like we're there in plenty of time, but we're it's just a really endlessly long line. By the time we get checked in and we get up to our thing, they say, Oh, by the way, we gave your seats away because you weren't here. And we're like, well, uh that thing that we do that dance and thing that every person who's ever been bumped off a flight or ever had a flight problem is like, how can this be happening to me? It's a physical reaction. Trevor Burrus, Jr. Yeah, it's just a thing. And it's like every everybody, you know, when you're in that moment, you think like it's the most unjust thing that's ever happened. And but from their perspective, the airline's perspective, is like we do this every hour. This is just what we do. We do ruin. You came up in the lottery. Trevor Burrus, Jr. We ruined people's lives. So I will skip the hours that followed after that, where we were trying to like get a different flight, and we were just hours and hours at the airport, and finally we have to wait until tomorrow.
SPEAKER_01Real fast, is this like directly after your wedding or is this like a few years?
SPEAKER_06Directly after. So we went from wedding, party, to airport for our nonstop flight to Hawaii, and then our honeymoon night is going to be in beautiful Hawaii.
SPEAKER_01Okay, because that changes a lot of things if it's like, you know, we did this six months after our wedding. So yeah.
SPEAKER_06This is really we have to spend the wedding night at an airport hotel near LAX.
SPEAKER_01Is it tacky to ask? Were you virgins?
SPEAKER_06I'm just thinking about whether it's tacky.
SPEAKER_04No, we weren't I was like, he's really thinking hard about it.
SPEAKER_06We weren't we weren't virgins. And it's okay to ask. I don't think it's tacky. I think people want to know that.
SPEAKER_01Well, I mean, it's I don't know if it's tack I I guess the level of my knowing and how long I've known you, it's not tacky to ask. But at the same time, it's none, it's none of my business.
SPEAKER_06Well, knowing me the way you've known me and knowing uh everything you know about me, it wouldn't wouldn't be tacky to ask if I'm a virgin now. Have you ever, ever been with a woman or anyone?
SPEAKER_02Your two daughters who have very similar characteristics to you. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_06They were rescues. So, um so I'd say they saved me. Um so we go to this crummy hotel near LAX, and they're all crummy there. And we get a crummy room because they're like, okay, well, we just gotta suck this up. We don't have our luggage, it's gone to Hawaii. That's another Roman. We have nothing. So we go there and we're exhausted, we had a horrible day, we feel very disappointed, all the feelings, no luggage, all that. And I'm like 22, so I'm thinking, well, you know, after all, it is the wedding night. And so I start to make some kind of a move. Whatever the move was, it got nowhere, and and I heard this. No, it's not happening. Oh I say that also was an omen.
SPEAKER_01Really? I don't know if that's an omen. I don't think any of these are omens, Ross. I think you're using the wrong word.
SPEAKER_06What word should I be using?
SPEAKER_04I don't know the number statistically, but I read somewhere once that which sounds credible, but I read somewhere once that mo there's a great number of people that on their wedding night, the night right after their reception, they don't have sex. They're tired, they're tired, emotionally spent. Right, and they're also not virgins anymore. You know, so what's the point? Right. It used to be a religious thing, people got married, and that's when that their ma wedding night, it meant something because they were losing their virginity or or whatever. They but But now it's there there's no right like you said, they're tired.
SPEAKER_06So Yeah, all those things apply to us. Um but like I said, I was 22 and it was like, well, I mean, you know, we're in a bed. I didn't need a lot of reason. Right.
SPEAKER_01I I think that sex on your wedding night is I think any time you're expected to have sex is a very difficult time to force sex on someone. I think that sounds like and a consensual a consensual force. Yes, of course. Yes.
SPEAKER_06Uh consensual forcing. It it makes sense to me now, but at twenty two I just was like, I uh do I would we need to even discuss it? Let's just have some fun.
SPEAKER_01I think I I I applaud her for being like, no. Oh, she was very tired, I'm not in Hawaii, my suitcase with all my sexy lingerie isn't here. I have 75,000 bobby pins in my hair. Right. Who's gonna take these out? Yeah. Who's gonna undo all these buttons?
SPEAKER_06Right on.
SPEAKER_01I just don't feel like it right now.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, no, it makes total sense. And she was always a woman who would speak her mind. Yeah. She was never shy about speaking her mind. So she was very had good agency, and we did not have sex. So I guess we were kind of like reverse virgins or something. Yeah. Can you like reverse the process if you don't have sex on your own?
SPEAKER_02Well, I mean okay.
SPEAKER_06Born-again virgin.
SPEAKER_02Born again virgin.
SPEAKER_04Born-again virgin, redeeming redeem-redemption virgins? There's gotta be a way. You know, you you talk about omens on weddings, and I I would bring it up sometimes after my second marriage uh that on when we went to get married in Scotland, I was violently ill. In the castle? Almost the entire time. We we flew into Scotland. The next day, it was like the day before the wedding, I woke up and I like violently sick. Uh you know, just couldn't keep food down. And then uh, you know, the next day I was able to hold it together for the ceremony and was fine. And then like as as the day pushed on, I got more and more nauseous and sick. And so the next two days I was pretty much in bed. And until like it was time for us to leave Scotland, I started to feel better again. Um You were Castle Barfing? I was Castle Barfing. It was act the same castle as uh in Highlander. So yeah. Oh yeah. Just made sure that you're not sure.
SPEAKER_06You have a lot of intersectionality with the stars, I think. I am You're a movie star waiting to be discovered.
SPEAKER_04Aaron Ross Powell I appreciate you saying that.
SPEAKER_06Because you have all of the uh attributes.
SPEAKER_01Aaron Powell He has everything. He has everything But real fast before because what you guys call omens, I think are just bad coincidences or uh or or inconveniences, or you know, well that sucks that I was sick, or it sucks that I couldn't I don't think those are omens. I think omens are essentially like um I knew I shouldn't be doing this because he doesn't listen to me, or I know he ha he's not over his ex, or I know she uh doesn't want to have sex ever, ever in her entire life, and I would really like to like I think those are bad omens. But I think you what you guys are calling an omen, I think I want to call a red flag.
SPEAKER_04Well, I I think what we're calling omens are are things that uh because it didn't work out, we can now look back and give it excuses. And I mean for me, I'm like, oh, I should have saw that as an omen instead of being like, I should have worked on my communication.
SPEAKER_01Yes, exactly.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_01Like I think like what you might call Owens, someone who has had a Did you say Owen?
SPEAKER_06Yeah, Owen Wills. Owen meanie.
SPEAKER_01I think like someone might call that like who has a successful, happy relationship. If we pick a number of what a successful marriage is, is twenty years. They might if they are still happy together, they might call it like you know, we we couldn't go on our honeymoon, I got terribly sick, uh the the priest fell down drunk, my grandfather tried to sleep with the usher. Like they might have the same things that are considered omens, but they might consider it um look at all we had to overcome, and we're still together.
SPEAKER_06Aaron Powell Just remember, an an Owen or an omen, omen or Owen, I don't care which I like both, I kind of like Owen better, can be good or bad. It's just something that portends future events.
SPEAKER_04To me, they're all good omens because they led me to this moment that we're in right now.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_04To me, like all the all the other things were learning experiences or or bad omens, and that brought me to this this wonderful place in engaged to this beautiful, wonderful woman.
SPEAKER_06It's funny because when I was with you guys the other night, even though it wasn't about your wedding or anything, I thought to myself, wow, these guys really are good together. And it there were really I did sense really a strong love between both of you. And it made me uncomfortable. No, it was really nice. Okay, I got one more idea of an omen and see what you think.
SPEAKER_01I'm ready to change your mind about it.
SPEAKER_06The night before I get married, I'm staying at my parents' house. Well, that's a bad omen. And I am sleeping in a room that my mother used to be a bedroom, but my mother has turned into an office slash junkyard. So it has got everything on the ground that you can think of: files and old lamps and sh alligators. I mean, just tons of things all over the place. So you have to like negotiate. And then she has this huge wooden desk, and that's also has tons of stuff stacked on it. So it's just as I'm describing it. But there is also a bed, and that's where I'm sleeping that night. And I go to sleep, and I'm I'm asleep, so I don't know what's happening. And then I bec um I'm having a dream, and in the dream I'm I've been trapped somehow like in a box, and I'm trying to get out. I'm trying to claw my way out, and I can't get out. And just then, my older sister, the one that the next day got left out of the wedding, comes into the room, wakes me up. I'm sleepwalking and talking, and I used to do both things. I'm on top of the desk. So somehow I got out of the bed in the dark, asleep, got through all of this stuff without touching anything, without hurting myself, climbed up on this desk that was totally stacked with papers and other junk. And there's like a text, one of those old textured ceilings that people used to have. And I'm actually literally clawing and the stuff's raining all down and making all this noise, and she comes in and wakes me up. I'm standing there in my underwear, and she like flips on the light and she sees her brother, like, and I wake up and I'm like, oh yeah, hey. So now I get down to go back to the bed with the lights on, and I'm awake, and I can barely get there so much stuff, and it's like you can't never work. I have no idea how my subconscious brain did this in the dark. But the point is, whoa, that doesn't that sound like an omen?
SPEAKER_01Ross, that right there is an omen.
SPEAKER_05Really feel good about it.
SPEAKER_01I could not get on board with all the rest of them, but I think that that uh that gave you a lot of information right there. And I think if you had probably taken that information and kind of looked at it, you might have thought to yourself, this isn't this isn't right.
SPEAKER_06Now when we take that Owen and compare it with the other Owens and put them in context with each other, does it not start sounding like a thing? Yeah, like a room full of Owens. Yes. I think we've got a room full of Owens. Have you ever read a prayer for Owen Meanie, by the way? No. It's a fun story. They made a movie out of it. Third cringy thing. All right. So we mentioned the dad giving away the bride. We're not doing that in yours. We mentioned the garter thing, you're not doing that.
SPEAKER_01No, I would always hate it. I was always I hate the flower tap toss. Like even when I was young and again, very, very conservatively Christian, uh, you were expected to stand and catch the thing. You wanted to catch it because you wanted to be the next person to get, you know, married, because that's how it works. Um and I'd always be like, no, hell no, I'm not gonna be here looking I don't know, I always thought there's just something not desperate for the women who are doing it, but desperate in the idea behind it. And that's the thing.
SPEAKER_06Well, yeah, if you trace it back to the idea that it was lucky to get married and you're spreading the luck, then it's like, what's so lucky about it? Like that makes it sound again like, well, is i if it hadn't been for this proposal and this marriage, you would have had a horrible life. Plus, isn't it kind of single-shaming to round up all your single unattached friends and make them stand out there and grovel for some life? It's just kind of weird, isn't it? Like here, you you're uh you're miserable, obviously, because you're not choosing to be attached to someone else.
SPEAKER_01It also creates the whole fallacy that um marriage is magical. That it is something that if I'm lucky enough that I catch a bouquet and he's over there lucky enough that he catches the garter, and then we make eye contact because of these magical things we now hold, there's potential for us, as opposed to, hey, let's meet each other. Hey, let's do some hard work in getting over our our childhood issues, and let's learn how to communicate well, and let's make sure that our values match, and let's make sure that we really enjoy each other's company and can spend a lot of time together, and that we're willing and wanting to. Build a life not just together but um as a whole with another person. Uh that's that to me is the the wedding bouquet. I think all the rest of that is just like, if I could just be so lucky. And I think that's where a lot of people get into trouble.
SPEAKER_06Yeah. I think I agree with that. I think I agree with that.
SPEAKER_01No more magic, no more magic flower bombs.
SPEAKER_06You just want to make sure if there's a smell, it's not the flowers, it's that new car smell that we talked about previously. That's Owen free. Owen free, new marriage smell. Oh, see, we've invented two things. We've invented sexless swinger parties, fostering community near you, and uh owen-free new car wedding smells. And rice bird feed. Rice. The non-exploding rice bird feed.
SPEAKER_04Non-exploding.
SPEAKER_02Every bag's gonna have a secret surprise.
SPEAKER_06Something's gonna blow. Um okay, here's number three. I don't know if I you might be okay with this one. It bugs me when I see it. It bugs me when I've been in the moment myself as a new married person and having the pressure of this moment. Oh, yeah. The cake smash. Oh. For those of you in different countries who don't know what I'm talking about, because I don't think this is uh a worldwide thing, although it may be. But uh in a lot of weddings, the bride and groom cut the cake, the wedding cake, and then they feed each other a slice, and then some couples decide in that moment to smash the cake, sometimes aggressively, on their new partner's face, and the audience is delighted. On the other hand, if the bride and groom decide not to do that and just feed each other a piece a bite of cake, then the audience boos and jeers because they wanted to see the spectacle of the cake smash.
SPEAKER_01Who are you inviting to a wedding that boos and jeers you're for starters?
SPEAKER_04Family. Whose family doesn't boo and jeer you?
SPEAKER_02I don't think I have that.
SPEAKER_04I did see uh I went to a wedding once where they get to the cake part, uh she she feeds him a little cake, real real civil, like he goes in and he starts to lean like he's gonna smash. And she turns and judo flips him like to get away, like kind of like instinctually. He flipped over, hit the table, like had to leave and get like stitches in his head because he tried to smash the case. And and everyone watching, there was no booing or jeering, there was just a lot of concern at that point. But I'm with you. Like the the whole let me humiliate this person that I just joined with. Because I think that's what I mean. Yeah, I I can see there's playfulness in it with some people, but the expectation that we must perform.
SPEAKER_01Perform. Yeah. Like that's one thing we were looking at about our because we've actually had this conversation of what traditions we want. And I even threw out, do we want to have a wedding cake? And you know, why do we want to have a wedding cake? Is it because it's expected or is it because we want we like cake? And uh we're trying to kind of figure that out right now, of like, you know, and we know it's expected. But I keep on trying really hard not to do what people what I think others want to do what I want. And I don't know if I want cake at my wedding.
SPEAKER_06The story behind the wedding cake was in olden days, everyone would bring a small cake. All the guests would bring a little small cake, and then they would kind of stack them up.
SPEAKER_01Oh, really?
SPEAKER_06And this is what I've read. I and so uh um it it may be actually true. It makes sense that people would this say, hey, I'm bringing you a little cake, and then you would stack them up, and then that would be the cake. And so then it was some at some point later on, some enterprising baker said, I can just make something like that. I'll make a bunch of tears, and it's so that people don't have to to use all their good shit.
SPEAKER_01So I can make a damn living as a baker.
SPEAKER_06Come on. Don't throw all those Owens at me when I'm trying to just get by. Just trying to pay the bills. So, yeah, the cake smaster is some thought that the weddings where they smash their faces with cake aren't gonna last long. I don't think that's true. I don't think anyone studied it, but there is a sense like this is not a good start.
SPEAKER_01I think if my groom, uh Nate here, uh was respectful and uh realized that I'd probably spent a lot of money on makeup, hair, and dress.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And was like, uh I also don't need to feed you things because I know you've got two perfectly working arms, I think that is an omen of greatness.
SPEAKER_06I um yeah. I think that's an important thing to keep in mind is that, hey, you know, this moment, whatever you're getting out of it from your buddies and your pals and your friends and your family, whatever moment of fun that is, uh you're living with that. This is your partner for life, theoretically. I have spent uh a weird amount of time watching YouTube videos titled Wedding Fails. And there are some cake smash moments where like people get dropped. They hit them so each other so hard that they knock themselves down. And that they're bloodied sometimes. Like, this is just horrifying.
SPEAKER_01I I think if that's your jam, if you're like, I like food is smeared on my face, baby, uh, can you make sure that when we get married, uh you just really go at it, then yes, that should be a thing that you get.
SPEAKER_06Aaron Powell There are other things that bother me, but but but but I'm just gonna run to them really quickly, and then I'm gonna ask you if I've left anything out.
SPEAKER_01This is something that Nate and I are in a disagreement about, is I love a line dance.
SPEAKER_06That's I was that was my next thing. The choreograph. So that there there's the group dances, and then there's the choreograph dances. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_01I don't want oh god. Because we haven't even talked about um those wedding bombs. What do you call that when people come out and they all do like a choreographed prize? Flash bomb right now. Flash bomb, yeah. That that's bullshit.
SPEAKER_06Um it's a bad Owen for sure.
SPEAKER_01It's a bad Owen. Um but I do I love an electric slide. I love a Cupid Shuffle.
SPEAKER_06How about the chicken dance?
SPEAKER_01I sure I I want all those things at our because we're having a like a teeny tiny little just invitation only. Like that's another thing we should talk about is uh we're excluding people.
SPEAKER_05Um Let's talk about the people that are being excluded.
SPEAKER_01And then we want to have like a really big, not really big, like, but you know, a nice reception um for our wedding.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_01Um and I want at the reception, I wanna I wanna do a I wanna do a Cupid shuffle.
SPEAKER_04Aaron Ross Powell Oh, we can do the Cupid Shuffle. We could do the electric slide, the cha-cha slide.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04We can do that. I'm just not the biggest fan of doing them.
SPEAKER_02I'm more of a one thing we disagree on.
SPEAKER_04I I think because it there's specific dance steps. That's I'm more of a free form dancer with my own moves.
SPEAKER_06Ooh, a free form group dance could be fun.
SPEAKER_01Aaron Ross Powell That's just called dancing.
SPEAKER_06Yes, I know. I was trying to say this somehow so that way everyone could be happy.
SPEAKER_02Oh, we'll figure it out. Oh, I'm happy. I'm with that. That's the biggest problem we have, is just like, oh, I really like an electric slide. And he's like, eh.
SPEAKER_01I like free form. I think that is way better than him waking up clawing the ceiling.
unknownTrevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that was definitely an omen. I I will tell you, like, in I've gone to a bunch of weddings in the past, and whenever one of those dances comes on, like to me, I'm like, great. Now I'm gonna go to the bar. Great. Now I'm gonna go talk to my uncle who's sitting down. Or now, like, to me, it's like, okay, I'm getting off the dance floor now. Give give time for these people. I'm going to go. Right.
SPEAKER_01If it's all about me, that's okay.
SPEAKER_06It is all about you.
SPEAKER_01It is all about me.
SPEAKER_06It is all about you. Um are you doing a best man? Yes. Yeah. I just want to tell you, it's not a cringe thing. It's just I would thought it was fascinating that again, it goes back to the days when men used to steal their brides away from families, and the best man was literally the person who would be there to fight with you. Yeah, you're when they would try to take the woman back.
SPEAKER_01I have a lot of really amazing women in my life that I love and who love me very much. Um, but I'm still only having just one person, and I don't even want to call her my maid of honor.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, that's sort of an old-fashioned and inappropriate term, probably, right?
SPEAKER_01So I'm just having her and she's gonna help me do all of the stuff. And then I'm I creating what I'm calling a bride squad where I get all these amazing women who I love and I want around me. Um, and they'll just get to hang out with me and make a bachelorette party and do fun things. I love that's it.
SPEAKER_06That name, Bride Squad. Yeah. That sounds like a TV show that needs to be on. Don't you want to watch Bride Squad? Is that really a thing? That sounds like a thing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, they just take down a bunch of Owens. We have invented so much stuff. So the bridesmaids we've talked about were there to trick the evil spirits. Um now they're just the bride squad and they're just there to make fun of it.
SPEAKER_01My one person, I told her just to find a dress that makes her feel beautiful. Um and I don't care what color it is or what it looks like, or the length, or the height, or the width. I just as long as she feels gorgeous.
SPEAKER_06So uh the bride on the groom's left was again this idea that you needed your right hand free if you were right-handed to fight off people to try to stop you from marrying. The bridal veil was uh used for two reasons. Again, part of it, evil spirits. A lot of evil spirits, a lot of people believe evil spirits were trying to um uh interfere for some reason with these weddings. And if you're an evil spirit, I mean, is that really your gig? Like, uh, oh, I got the wedding gig again. It's like, wouldn't you rather I don't know, I'd rather do something else more fun than that. But anyway, there was a lot of concern about evil spirits at a certain time in our uh humanity. So but the other reason was for arranged marriages. Arranged marriages, you did not see the bride often before the wedding because you might not want to get married if the bride wasn't someone that you found to be appealing in whatever way. So it was a surprise when the veil came up and there's Owen. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I mean, when I I feel like that's a nicer way uh of you know explaining why it's the superstition to not see the bride before the wedding is like, oh, it's bad luck, versus you might not want to marry her if you see her before the wedding.
SPEAKER_06Right. And it goes all the way back to this idea that you're transferring property and we're paying you to do it because that's why the bride's family traditionally paid or gave a dowry or something. It was like, here, we'll pay you to take this woman off our hands, but we're not gonna let you see her. So carrying the bride over the threshold, you won't be surprised that this was a ritual that was founded on the belief that the bride could attract evil spirits through the soles of her feet. So to avoid bringing evil into the new home, the groom would carry her over the doorway. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04It I mean, it sounds to me like hookworm. Like hookworm. It's you always the evil spirits. You get hookworm through your feet.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's a hookworm thing. Oh my god. Hookworm. You're afraid your bride is hookworm.
SPEAKER_01She's well, she's gonna get the hookworm.
SPEAKER_06She's gonna get the hookworm.
SPEAKER_01The latrine is real close to the front of the house.
SPEAKER_06Whoa. Which is a the latrine is I don't think that's I'm just thinking they made that up. Where are we uh what is so we're in a castle, we've got a latrine by the moat. Uh-huh. He's throwing up in the moat. Uh-huh. Um, and you've got hookworm.
SPEAKER_01And I'm and I'm I'm stepping through. I'm gonna get herkworm. It's gonna make me real tired.
SPEAKER_06I again I'm hearing different things. I think I just heard herkworm. Hercworm. Okay. Which is a bad Owen.
unknownYes.
SPEAKER_06We we've not only invented some cool products today, but we've also invented a whole new vocabulary. I think a lot of the kids are gonna be happy about. I want to ask you before we close whether you're willing to share if you have any of your own besides line dancing and hercworming, are there gonna be any um things that you do in a creative sense that maybe isn't sort of the everyday?
SPEAKER_01I don't want drama on my wedding or minimize it. Or if it's someone who is bringing drama, like I can be like, I understand. She's really going through a hard time right now. Um And so we are eliminating plus ones. Like it's only invite only.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01So I don't want you to bring that guy you just started dating two weeks ago. I just don't want that. I don't want to turn around and be like, who's that dude?
SPEAKER_06Owen.
SPEAKER_02Exactly.
SPEAKER_06I uh I think that's interesting. So it just kind of subtracts all of that rando.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. And so if you're married to someone, if you're you know, if you're married to my best friend and we, you know, you you still are invited because obviously she's gonna bring her husband. Um but I don't want, you know, my friend Ginger to bring you know some person that I just don't know very well.
SPEAKER_06Aaron Powell Somebody they just met at an office party or something.
SPEAKER_04No, this is the wedding. And uh the other thing too is the reception is not going to be directly after the wedding. We're talking about having a very small intimate wedding ceremony and then uh a day or two later having the actual Which you can bring anybody you want.
SPEAKER_06But a larger reception where that we would be more conclusive to people. So then people can bring their plus ones then. Yes. That's fine.
SPEAKER_01But not to the actual ceremony itself.
SPEAKER_06That's a pretty good idea.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Do you have any other advice for newlyweds about to be to walk down the aisle, so to speak? Uh any wisdom you can share in this very stressed-out world that we're living in where a lot of people are getting divorced because they're just like, oh, I can't take any more of anything. And here you are, you're reaffirming the fact that two people can meet each other and fall in love and decide that being together through the rest of your lives is the quintessential expression of joy and happiness. Such a beautiful thought. But right now a lot of people are not feeling that in their lives. Well, how what can you tell people?
SPEAKER_04Well, I guess I would tell people to uh oh man, there's there's so many great advice points I could give, but just to keep it simple, uh one, check your ego. You know, I think a lot of gets what we talked about gets wrapped up in a ceremony or reception. It has to do with how I'm going to impress my guests. Uh and that puts a lot of pressure on people. So I think by checking your ego and and really seeing what you as a united couple really want for your day, I think that's an important thing. Communication's big too about that.
SPEAKER_01Find someone who's who's amazing. Trevor Burrus, Jr.
SPEAKER_06And it's yeah. That's the hard that's the hard part. It's a lot easier to find an amazing therapist. Um at least that's been true for me. I wasn't kidding. Like I really I've met many people who get married in my lifetime. And um I'm almost always happy for them, but I I really felt joyous about the idea of you two getting married. I met Nate, I met you before I met Jenny, and you were like one of the nicest, warmest, most welcoming guys. And you've been consistently like that every time I see you. You're like always. What's that? So that's who I am, Ross. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's yeah, and you're doing that, yeah, you're doing that ego check thing. I um you're good at it. Um and and Jenny is the you know, the most marvelous shining, beaming, beautiful light in my life. So the fact that you both found each other, it makes sense. You know, you're it's I'm really excited for your wedding.
SPEAKER_02You can marry us both too.
SPEAKER_06I want to be your uh potential plan B. Either one. I don't care which.
SPEAKER_01Sex with swingers.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I can be doing your uh plumbing.
SPEAKER_01Done and done.
SPEAKER_06Just well, just show up with some good Owens and we'll be all right. I think we've I I was worried that we might not wear the Owen thing out, but we did. Um I feel relieved. If you like what we're doing out there for some reason and you'd want to help us, we'd sure love your help. Follow the show on Instagram and Twitter. Give us like a five-star rating on Apple Podcasts and a review, a glowing review. That stuff really helps us grow our tiny teeny little show into a bigger tiny show. You can support us on Patreon, which is appreciated. Or just show up every week and uh let us talk to you while you clean your garage. Send us an encouraging email. We are love-starved, and we hope you'll tune in to another episode because whether you are attending a sexless swinger party or just a pre explosive bird looking for the hercworm, it's important to remember that we all smell like humans. Goodbye, everybody. Good night, Owen.